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Forever In Stone 03-05-2012 08:35 AM

Ventilating the Flat Head!
 

Does the 8ba Flathead get enough ventilation through just the oil filler pipe? My motor does not have any other means other than this oil fill pipe.
Your thoughts please!
Thank you, Alan
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Shadetree 03-05-2012 08:54 AM

Re: Ventilating the Flat Head!
 

It should have a crankcase breather pipe on the intake manifold.

Shadetree

flathead4rd 03-05-2012 09:38 AM

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Are you saying that you don't have a road draft tube on the front of the intake manifold?

36tbird 03-05-2012 09:48 AM

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There needs to be an "inny" and an "outy".

Seth Swoboda 03-05-2012 10:18 AM

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You could put a PCV valve in place of the road draft tube and run the line back into the carb.

peteyshoes 03-05-2012 10:28 AM

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alan, mine is the same as yours, filler tube only. however---i have a small vent on the side of oil pan that seems to pull some air in. this is factory original. it appears there were many variations on these engines.

dduke 03-05-2012 10:34 AM

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Not all intakes are created equal. I ran a super dual with a pair of Holley 94's that had a fitting and tube that went back to the breather/oil fill tube at the rear of the intake. My current offy and single quad is set up a bit different and the breather at the rear is fine. I use the fitting at the rear of the intake below the carb as my vacuum and trani set-up.

Mike in AZ 03-05-2012 10:38 AM

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Petey, are you talking about the vent at the passenger bottom front of the engine??.....that's your down draft tube to let the fumes out.....Mike

Old Henry 03-05-2012 10:46 AM

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I'm not sure about 8ba but here is the illustration from the Ford Passenger Car Sales Handbook for the 59A-B showing the path of crankcase ventilation. I would think the 8ba is similar.
http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/...entilation.jpg

Old Henry 03-05-2012 10:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by peteyshoes (Post 379531)
i have a small vent on the side of oil pan that seems to pull some air in.

The movement of air past that vent actually creates a vacuum that draws the air out of that vent, thus creating the draft from the oil filler cap through the engine as in my illustration.

ken ct 03-05-2012 10:56 AM

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It goes in[air] at the top and exits at the front bottom of the oil pan or the road draft tube.I thought i explained that to you on the phone.You need the road draft tube to make that work right. He has the wrong yr manifold on a later engine.Early manifold on a late engine. ken ct.Evidently he dosn't understand what hes got there. The air flow will not go in the same hole and come out the same hole.

Jack E/NJ 03-05-2012 12:44 PM

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Well, Old Henry, some of us figured Old Henry Ford had it all bassackwards and this is the sorta of the way some of us do positive crankcase ventilation now. But I'm not naming names. 8^) Jack E/NJ

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/z...kert/pcv-1.jpg

Old Henry 03-05-2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack E/NJ (Post 379625)
Well, Old Henry, some of us figured Old Henry Ford had it all bassackwards and this is the sorta of the way some of us do positive crankcase ventilation now. But I'm not naming names. 8^) Jack E/NJ

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/z...kert/pcv-1.jpg

The problem with running it backwards like that is that you have nothing filtering the air that's going in at the bottom so you can suck in anything that's being kicked up by the front right tire that's right there - dirt, dust, mud, water. Not good. That's why there's a filter on the oil filler cap that has to be cleaned every 1,000 miles - 'cause that's where the air goes in, not where it comes out.

Jack E/NJ 03-05-2012 12:57 PM

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Note that there's an inlet air filter wrapped around the body of the crankcase vent.

Jack E/NJ

Jack E/NJ 03-05-2012 01:01 PM

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Note also, the crankcase filler cap is a Chrysler PCV style filled with stainless steel mesh to prevent backfire into the crankcase.

Jack E/NJ

flatjack9 03-05-2012 01:33 PM

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Note that your diagram does not show any of those items clearly.

Shadetree 03-05-2012 01:45 PM

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Wouldn't be simpler to find the correct intake manifold and breather pipe for an 8BA?

Shadetree

ken ct 03-05-2012 02:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadetree (Post 379685)
Wouldn't be simpler to find the correct intake manifold and breather pipe for an 8BA?

Shadetree

Yea but i think hes running a 2 pot manifold,i suggested try making a swap with some one. ken ct.:)

Shadetree 03-05-2012 02:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ken ct (Post 379696)
Yea but i think hes running a 2 pot manifold,i suggested try making a swap with some one. ken ct.:)


Ah so!

Shadetree

Jack E/NJ 03-05-2012 02:42 PM

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Flatjack9>>>Note that your diagram does not show any of those items clearly.>>>

Sorry diagram was not so clear on oil breather cap, image shown below. The vent filter is simply a fine mesh screen wrapped around and secured to the vent body(I'm using a stainless steel coffee filter screen from WalMart). You can even use fiberglas or aluminum window screen material wrapped a few times around the vent. Hard to show all this in Old Henry's diagram --- it was hard enough reversing all the airflow arrowshttp://i822.photobucket.com/albums/z...t/breather.jpg so they all pointed in the right direction. 8^)

Jack E/NJ


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