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Killerbee 03-16-2019 05:11 PM

Snyderís 6:1 head
 

Is anyone running a Snyderís 6:1 head? I recently put one on my 30A and have had nothing but problems. Iím on my 3rd head gasket and the car runs rough as hell. Iím not new at putting head gaskets on and never has this many issues.Iíve warmed up cooled down and retorqued 3 times before driving. My timing is set correctly and I even retarted the timing a little to avoid pre ignition. It idles fine revs fine but when I drive it feels like bricks in a drier. The engine is healthy and never had any issues with the stock head. I one step away from putting the OEM head back on. I really hope I didnít hurt my engine with this head.

old31 03-16-2019 05:40 PM

Re: Snyderís 6:1 head
 

Before you installed it did you have it checked for being straight? You should.

I am running the same head. The machine shop said it was far from straight and the areas under the nuts had to be machined. Others have said that it should be machined.

With this head it is definitely needs more playing around with the advance lever. On hills it really needs to be retarded.

With this head you can not use the FSI Zipper distributor.

I love the head and it makes a heck of a difference in power over the original 4.2.

Killerbee 03-16-2019 06:05 PM

Re: Snyderís 6:1 head
 

I did run a level across it and the block didn’t see anything out of the ordinary but that’s with the naked eye. You shouldn’t have to machine a new head flat. I was going to go with the 5.5.1 but for the same price I went with the 6:1 now I’m regretting it. Snyder’s will be getting a call again Monday.

zzlegend 03-16-2019 07:01 PM

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Put a 6.1 head from Snyders on my car in my avatar. Runs great and never had a problem. I am running a "B" distributor now, but never had a problem with the stock advance and retard arm. I know you said the timing was right, but i would double check. Just my 2 1/2 cents.

Killerbee 03-16-2019 07:05 PM

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Timing set with Nu-Rex wrench never had any issues with stock head.

Fordfan29 03-17-2019 01:24 AM

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I installed one of these 6:1 heads a couple years ago. I cleaned the block surface of all old gasket material then placed the head on the bare block. The head was warped about 0.013"! They offered to send me a new head (probably also warped) after I paid return shipping and waited another three weeks. I suggested machining it locally and they pay the bill. They agreed and everything was installed. The machine shop verified my crude measurements. That "premium" recommended head gasket with the silicone failed shortly. Replacing with a copper gasket solved the problem. I have to also play with spark advance on heavy pulls to keep the spark knock from happening. I read somewhere about the need to retard timing a bit when adding compression and I am presently timed like a stock engine. I like the power and the mileage and I'm sure the old original head would be a pain to live with now.

aermotor 03-17-2019 07:32 AM

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Is there any external markings to identify a 6 : 1 head?

John

Killerbee 03-17-2019 07:47 AM

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No the chamber size is 152cc noticeably shallower than a stock head and not heart shaped like the 5.5.

1929 03-17-2019 07:52 AM

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I installed the 6-1 head 4 years ago, no issues, the rebuilder told me to use the head gasket brand called (Best) and use Permatex Hi tack.

old31 03-17-2019 08:45 AM

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I also use the nurex tool for timing the 6.1 head and use normal 4.2 timing.

I am using the copper head gasket.

https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/b-head-gasket

Killerbee 03-17-2019 08:51 AM

Re: Snyderís 6:1 head
 

Well it sounds like some are good and some are bad from what I’m reading in posts. I got a bad one if they’ll take it back it’s going back. So I’m out 4 head gaskets 3 blown a 4th to put the original head back on and the cost of shipping twice. All that adds up to about the cost of the junk head to begin with.

Killerbee 03-17-2019 10:41 AM

Re: Snyderís 6:1 head
 

I’ve used copper twice and fiber once all blew out.

Railcarmover 03-17-2019 11:01 AM

Re: Snyder’s 6:1 head
 

Run new chrome moly studs and nuts,torque to 60 lbs.Posting a picture of the failed head gasket would help..

the engine in my avatar has a shaved snyder 5.5,.002 piston reliefs...zero piston protrusion the quench area (margin between the piston and head) is gasket crush.

Timing is critical to proper performance,adjusting the spark by hand robs performance by missing the proper advance as rpm rises,the model a engine performs best at 1 degree per 100 rpm. Improper timing can lead to center main bearing failure from detonation (ping)and can cause noises indistinguishable from a mechanical issue, at 4.2 to 1 the engine is tolerant of timing deviation,at 6 to 1 it isnt.Combustion chamber shape of the 6 to 1 is not an issue. Its also important to measure piston protrusion,the height the piston crown exceeds the top of the deck.I use modern sealants to 'fill' bad spots in a head or deck,just a light smear helps cure water issues.



Todd Buttermore does good work,and Snyder stands behind what he sells.

Killerbee 03-17-2019 12:19 PM

Re: Snyder’s 6:1 head
 

Well I’m over it and too many other people have had the same issue. I shouldn’t have to resurface a new head. I would expect that from a swap meet head not a new one. Everything was properly prepped torqued warmed cooled retorqued with the same issue. The gasket seems to blow on different spots every time either it’ll leak coolant into the cylinder or blow exhaust out of the side obviously there is an issues with this head. I’m not doing it a fourth time.

Railcarmover 03-17-2019 12:25 PM

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When youre done youre done,I can relate to that.Good luck,call Snyder,give them a shot at making it good.

40 Deluxe 03-17-2019 01:05 PM

Re: Snyderís 6:1 head
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killerbee (Post 1737011)
I did run a level across it and the block didnít see anything out of the ordinary but thatís with the naked eye. You shouldnít have to machine a new head flat. I was going to go with the 5.5.1 but for the same price I went with the 6:1 now Iím regretting it. Snyderís will be getting a call again Monday.

A basic rule is to never assume anything. Measure it! After the first gasket blew your troubleshooting should have included a trip to a machine shop to have the head checked with a machinist's straight edge. A carpenter's level won't cut it!
How about the block surface? Have you verified that it is true? Again, you can't just assume.

old31 03-17-2019 06:01 PM

Re: Snyderís 6:1 head
 

Killer, I am curious, what lbs did you use for torque on the head?

1929 03-18-2019 07:13 AM

Re: Snyderís 6:1 head
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by old31 (Post 1737352)
Killer, I am curious, what lbs did you use for torque on the head?

I am curious too, I was told to torque at 64pounds.

john in illinois 03-18-2019 07:27 AM

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Very often cast iron warps as it ages. I have 2 cars with MT CAR cast iron brake drums and they always need to be skimmed when new.

I have a 5.5 Snyder head that I have used for 25,000mi and no problems. I had it checked before I put it on and it needed skimmed. I also check heads any time I remove them.

John

chap52 03-18-2019 07:32 AM

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Seem there have been reports of the heads not being flat. Here is a "old school" way of checking and even getting them flat. Chap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK2R2LdkLKs


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