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Chiefguy 12-13-2018 02:31 PM

New to Model A
 

Hello. I was advised to get on this forum and introduce myself.
I am retired and just bought an old Model A Ford or Sedan.
Problem.....engine is frozen. I have been soaking pistons with mystery oil and ATF. No luck.
The car is otherwise nice.
Ideas?

Licensed to kill 12-13-2018 02:54 PM

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A friend of mine was given a flathead that was seized. he soaked the cylinders with penetrating oil for over a week with no luck. He then put vinegar in the cylinders and the motor turned over by hand (with resistance) the next day.

JOHN CT 12-13-2018 03:08 PM

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How long have you been soaking the cylinders? Are you trying the crank or starter to spin it over? ATF is a good solution but i never mixed it with Marvel mystery oil. Trying mixing the ATF with acetone and get a socket and a breaker bar on the crank pulley nut. That helps to get better movement.
I’ve freed stuck motors that way. Just have patients.

copgib 12-13-2018 03:15 PM

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it sounds like it is now a waiting game. Let the chemicals do there job. It will free up! Hugh

1930artdeco 12-13-2018 03:29 PM

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Welcome to the Barn! How about some Pics?


Mike

Chiefguy 12-13-2018 03:55 PM

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Thank you for all the interest to help!
I will continue to pour ATF into the one cylinder that it takes over night to drain out of. The other three seem to drain down in 15 mins or so.
I will try conifer next week...lol
Thanks guys

I pulled the car today...third gear...left skid marks both rear wheels.

WHN 12-13-2018 04:12 PM

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Give it some time. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

Also check other things that could be holding things. Is your Starter stuck, also take off valve cover and check if valves and lifters are free to move. Another place to use MMO.

Keep us informed. Enjoy.

Chiefguy 12-13-2018 04:26 PM

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Yes, been soaking a week. Been jumping on hand crank, and pull/dragged her today. No luck.

Charlie Stephens 12-13-2018 04:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefguy (Post 1705425)
Thank you for all the interest to help!
I will continue to pour ATF into the one cylinder that it takes over night to drain out of. The other three seem to drain down in 15 mins or so.
I will try conifer next week...lol
Thanks guys

I pulled the car today...third gear...left skid marks both rear wheels.

I would be worried about bending rods and breaking gears if I pulled it to get it turn over. Take it apart and fix it right.

Charlie Stephens

Chiefguy 12-13-2018 04:36 PM

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Thanks friend. Going to try your path next. I do have time....I think. Lol

Steve Plucker 12-13-2018 04:38 PM

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Is the clutch froze up on the flywheel?

Pluck

WHN 12-13-2018 04:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens (Post 1705443)
I would be worried about bending rods and breaking gears if I pulled it to get it turn over. Take it apart and fix it right.

Charlie Stephens

Charlie’s right. Don’t take a chance on breaking other things that aren’t now broken.

As I mention, get some (a lot) penetrating oil on your valves and lifters, cam and bearings. Valve cover should come off now.

Is there rust on cylinder walls?

Does car roll freely when in neutral.

How long has it been since the engine was last started?

Picture of engine would help.

Chiefguy 12-13-2018 04:52 PM

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I had a spinal cord trama five years ago. Big jobs are out of my capabilities these days

But thank you for my friend

Chiefguy 12-13-2018 04:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WHN (Post 1705450)
Charlie’s right. Don’t take a chance on breaking other things that aren’t now broken.

As I mention, get some (a lot) penetrating oil on your valves and lifters, cam and bearings. Valve cover should come off now.

Is there rust on cylinder walls?

Does car roll freely when in neutral.

How long has it been since the engine was last started?

Picture of engine would help.

The car does roll freely. I:ll try to get pics soon. Car is 45 miles away, so don't get there everyday.
I was told engine ran 3 years ago.
There is black crud on pistons, but couldn't tell if rust.
When I pulled plugs, looked like she had run last couple days.
Having trouble finding how to post car pics

Chiefguy 12-13-2018 05:06 PM

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3 Attachment(s)
Did my pictures go thru.
I am lost at this

1930artdeco 12-13-2018 05:15 PM

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Yep you have a nice late 30 Briggs Fordoor.


Mike

Chiefguy 12-13-2018 05:16 PM

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Like your sedan Mike

WHN 12-13-2018 05:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefguy (Post 1705455)
Did my pictures go thru.
I am lost at this

Got the pictures.

Take some of engine, might help in understanding condition of engine. Left and right side, plus top.

Car looks like your going to have fun. We just have to get it running.

Chiefguy 12-13-2018 05:18 PM

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Clutch and trans feel good

Chiefguy 12-13-2018 05:22 PM

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Going to sign off for now. Back later...or tomorrow.
Thanks guys


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