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Mulletwagon 06-17-2019 06:09 PM

Steering Damper
 

The PO installed a steering damper which bolts on between the tie rod and front axle. Thinking about taking it off. Does it really stabilize steering or does it just make steering effort greater ?

apbright 06-17-2019 06:18 PM

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Hello,

I have read many that say the steering damping simply hides other problems that should be fixed. While I do believe there is truth to this, I nevertheless find the steering damper useful - mainly because I have to drive on freeways with grooved pavement. Without the steering damper, the unavoidable irregularity of the pavement grooving relative to the driving direction creates nerve-wracking erratic steering behaviour. I do my best to regularly ensure all steering connections (kingpins, drag-link, tie-rod, steering box) joints are tight, but will not remove the steering damper because of how the car would otherwise drive on that grooved pavement.

Safe driving, Andrew

Pete 06-17-2019 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mulletwagon (Post 1768644)
The PO installed a steering damper which bolts on between the tie rod and front axle. Thinking about taking it off. Does it really stabilize steering or does it just make steering effort greater ?

Usually a steering damper is installed when stock replacement parts should be installed instead. You should not need one on a stock or even mildly modified front end.
They do increase steering effort slightly. You do not notice this on an off road desert racer where they were intended for use.

Y-Blockhead 06-17-2019 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 1768714)
... on an off road desert racer where they were intended for use.

That's not an entirely true statement. Numerous cars including VW and Porsche had steering dampers from the factory long before there were "off road desert racers" along with many high performance street motorcycles.

Pete 06-17-2019 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead (Post 1768742)
That's not an entirely true statement. Numerous cars including VW and Porsche had steering dampers from the factory long before there were "off road desert racers" along with many high performance street motorcycles.

Yea, I know but you got the point didn't you? lol

Oh, by the way, there were off road desert racers in the late 20's. You just didn't hear about them unless there was a telegraph line in the area.

Come to think of it, I had one on a 175 Bonneville bike in the 60's.

Synchro909 06-18-2019 12:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mulletwagon (Post 1768644)
The PO installed a steering damper which bolts on between the tie rod and front axle. Thinking about taking it off. Does it really stabilize steering or does it just make steering effort greater ?

They do both.

rocket1 06-18-2019 08:07 AM

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I think they are just a bandaid,I would remove it and if you realize there is a problem fix it properly,Henry never installed one!

Ruth 06-18-2019 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rocket1 (Post 1768808)
Henry never installed one!

Yes but Ol' Henry did a lot of things that could have been done better... :p:p

Jacksonlll 06-18-2019 02:38 PM

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If you don’t want, I’ll take it.

Synchro909 06-18-2019 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruth (Post 1768849)
Yes but Ol' Henry did a lot of things that could have been done better... :p:p

I've gotten myself into trouble here in the past by saying that but there are many things that could (and should) have been done better.

Pete 06-18-2019 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Synchro909 (Post 1768998)
I've gotten myself into trouble here in the past by saying that but there are many things that could (and should) have been done better.

And I have always maintained that almost all products on the market, including the model A Ford are/were a product of marginal engineering.
They have to be to meet profit parameters.

Imagine what a model A would have cost if it had come out of the factory capable of 200 mph and 50 miles per gallon.

Think of the social impact of a product like that also. The wrecking yards and graveyards would be full to capacity.

Purdy Swoft 06-19-2019 12:31 PM

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The damper wasn't original but does no harm other than losing points in national judging . A damper won't fix worn out parts . Common sense tells me that a damper will stabilize the steering in rough conditions . My CJ 5 jeeps came with dampers and they seemed to work well . Even with large mudder tires , my jeeps steered like power steering when they were moving .

Ernie Vitucci 06-19-2019 03:05 PM

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Good afternoon...Our Tudor had the entire front end rebuilt and it drove quite well 98% of the time with the exception of railroad tracks and big pot holes. We added the damper and there has been no trouble for 7 or 8 years. Many new cars, with much better front ends than our Model 'A's have, also have steering dampers. Both my Jeeps have them. For me they are a nice safety item that can easily be removed and no drilling is necessary to install one. Have a great Model 'A' Day. Ernie in Arizona

31Cabriolet68-C 06-19-2019 06:34 PM

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Mulletwagon,
So many pros and cons on this short thread, like any great
group exchange.....
I'm thinking Post #2 basically says it all. If you are going to
be facing grooved pavements (Something Henry certainly didn't
design for, or even imagine!!) it sounds like it would be a great help...
I'll be surprised if you can't find local online maps showing grooved road surfaces.
. Do they use use em in the Florida panhandle?
Ride safe...

Mulletwagon 06-19-2019 09:24 PM

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No grooved road surfaces in my area that I am aware of. If the damper does not add much turning effort, I will leave it on. Simple question generated a number of appreciated responses. Thanks to all.

Cool Hand Lurker 06-20-2019 11:07 AM

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Unless you have a steering wheel with no play at all, you will benefit by having a damper.
It will help to keep the car from wandering so you don't have to keep correcting it with the steering wheel.

I think Thomas Edison told that to Henry once but Henry wouldn't listen.... I think.

Purdy Swoft 06-20-2019 01:42 PM

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I feel that a steering stabilize-damper would be an improvement to any vehicle. If a damper causes more steering effort , I've never noticed it . If anything a damper seems to make steering easier to me . If the toe in is off a little it can cause nerve wracking erratic steering after hitting a pot hole or crossing rail road tracks . Though a damper would in some cases mask the shimmy , it would be best to have the toe in checked and adjusted if necessary or uneven tire wear will usually follow on the front tires . Correct toe in is 1/16th.

DHZIEMAN 06-23-2019 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mulletwagon (Post 1768644)
The PO installed a steering damper which bolts on between the tie rod and front axle. Thinking about taking it off. Does it really stabilize steering or does it just make steering effort greater ?

These "steering dampers" are normally installed due to shimmy or other steering issues. Yet the solution to fix a problem, to me, is not to add a part to hide the real problem. Since your vehicle already has one of these, it is kind of up to you to leave it or remove it. Some folks add them just to have one! If that is the case with your vehicle, removing it will not hurt anything. And if a steering problem is uncovered by removing the damper, then identify the problem and fix it. There are lots of posts on shimmy and other front end steering issues and the solutions. Could get time consuming and in some cases, if you cannot do the work, costly! A lot of simple things such as tightening shackle bolts. Let us know what you decide. (and oncover)

BILL WILLIAMSON 06-24-2019 05:07 PM

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Mine had a very large shock on it & it bent the tie rod.
Bill W.


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