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Vic Piano 05-09-2012 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by frenchy dehoux (Post 422182)
Sound like you have one of the original carbon seal failing on you and leaking out from the pourous bushing which are known to leak after a while. Skips rebuild water pumps are the best and using a seal bearing and you do not have to put oil in the upright oillers they will be there for look only. Vic when I did my spark plug wire loom I build a template with a piece of 3/4 plywood and bolted it down so that it would be more stable to feed all of the wires through then I removed the wire loom tube from the fixture and installed it back on the motor very easy to do.

Frenchy

Thanks Frenchy, I didn't know that Skips rebuild made it unnecessary to oil the pumps, that'll save making a mess...:) I got all the wires run through the looms, only had a little trouble with the ones that cross over from side to side. I'm looking forward to installing the looms and now, getting the water pumps done.:cool:

Steves46 05-09-2012 09:56 AM

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Hi Vic. Sorry to hear about the water pump. Fortunately it didn't go out completely when you did your cruise up to Spring Hill last Sat.:eek: Old cars-gotta love em! Steve

Vic Piano 05-09-2012 10:09 AM

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Hi Steve, yup, I'm glad she didn't leave me stranded on the highway...:eek::D What about this Saturday, think you'll make it up to my place so we can cruise on up to the Breakfast Club?:cool: Vic

frenchy dehoux 05-09-2012 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Vic Piano (Post 422259)
Thanks Frenchy, I didn't know that Skips rebuild made it unnecessary to oil the pumps, that'll save making a mess...:) I got all the wires run through the looms, only had a little trouble with the ones that cross over from side to side. I'm looking forward to installing the looms and now, getting the water pumps done.:cool:


Vic also once you have the wire loom tubes installed the center covers will be difficult to installed as you will need to squized the other tubes closer to the intake manifolds so the two center pieces can stay on. The first time I installed the water pumps I had put oil in them and it took a while for all of the oil to come out not knowing that I did not need to fill them at all.

Take care
Frenchy

Vic Piano 05-09-2012 10:32 AM

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Frenchy, I put the looms together with the center covers in place and put plastic tie wraps around the looms to keep the center cover in place... I'll see if that works... If it does, once I have the looms secure, I'll cut the tie wraps off. (See photo)
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Vic Piano 05-11-2012 03:01 PM

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Update on water pump leak:eek:. Yesterday I put some Barrs (spelling) stop leak in the LZ to see if it would slow the water leaking from the passenger side water pump at the pulley;). I let the engine run for a few minutes and than took her for a ride, after about a half hour and with the water up to normal temp (180) I pulled into the garage and shut her off. Several hours later I checked to see how much, if any water was pooled on the garage floor... The good news is; there was very little water leaking and, when I went to check this morning there was no additional water:D so, now I'll move forward with the plan to install the wire looms, etc. and be able to drive the Zephyr for at least a few days before I pull the pumps and send them to Skip for rebuilding...:cool:

Vic Piano 05-14-2012 06:13 AM

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Well, this was the "lost weekend" as far as doing any work/play with the Flatheads except for riding shotgun with Steve (in his '46 Coupe) up to the Breakfast Club on Saturday . Right now I'm playing the waiting game... Please Mr. Postman look and see… if there's a package of parts for me... before I can do any more work on the Zephyr. Oh, I did fix the John Deere lawn tractor so I got to mow the lawn...


Vic Piano 05-16-2012 09:00 AM

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Yesterday was a Red Letter Day:D as I finally got some of the boxes full of kitchen appliances out of the garage and into the house...:eek: Now I've got to clean up and rearrange things to make it easier, and more fun, to work on the Flatheads... Hopefully I'll install the plug wire looms in the LZ this Saturday.:cool:

Lawson Cox 05-16-2012 09:24 AM

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Gotta keep Mama happy. lol

Vic Piano 05-17-2012 01:27 PM

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Yup, just one more week (I hope);) and I'll be able to get to (and use) the parts cleaner that has been trapped behind the refrigerator box for I don't remember how long...:eek: I even mopped the floor (at least the part that I could see):D:cool:!
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Vic Piano 05-20-2012 06:37 PM

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Another weekend has come and gone with no work done on the LZ or any of the other (always in need of something) Flatheads in our garage...:( I did take the LZ out for a nice ride on Saturday morning:D but spent the rest of the weekend working in the yard...:mad: Maybe this week I'll take some time and install the plug wires & looms in the LZ...:cool: Next week I want to try and get the '51 F-1 in the garage, to pull the transmission, so we can install the '49 Merc O/D transmission. I've never done a conversion like this before and, aside from having to shorten the drive shaft, I'm not sure if we'll need to make any other modifications:confused:. If any of you have done a swap like this, I'd sure appreciate some helpful advice.:eek::D Thanks, Vic

Vic Piano 05-22-2012 11:57 AM

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Trying to get a head start on the long weekend so, at 7:30 this morning I washed both '39's and the '63 Avanti... :)
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n...012/003-19.jpg

Lawson Cox 05-22-2012 12:32 PM

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I couldn't wash even one. I wear out too easily. You can come up and wash a couple of my cars any time you would like some exercise. LOL

Vic Piano 05-22-2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lawson Cox (Post 429773)
I couldn't wash even one. I wear out too easily. You can come up and wash a couple of my cars any time you would like some exercise. LOL

Lawson, I'm still trying to catch my breath...:(:eek:...

Hamtown Al 05-22-2012 10:52 PM

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Are you planning on driving all 3? You FLA folks are good but I didn't realize you were that good! Have a great time.

Vic Piano 05-23-2012 07:19 AM

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Al, I drive em all, albeit not at the same time although, I would if I could...:D

Vic Piano 05-24-2012 07:15 AM

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Grease Question

When we rebuilt the LZ’s transmission, I installed an NOS U joint and new gaskets. I packed the U joint with Corn Head grease and, after assembly I pumped more grease into the housing. Everything is working well except that after driving the car and letting it sit overnight, I’m finding little Corn Head “gifts” on the garage floor. I’ve driven the LZ about 500 miles and the other day, after finding more grease on the floor; I pumped almost a full tube of Corn Head grease into the housing:eek:. This grease is “low Temp” so that it lubricates the U joint instead of just coating the interior of the housing through centrifugal force. I have not been able to identify the area that the grease is leaking from and I’m wondering if packing the U joint will just become another part of normal maintenance only on a more frequent basis… Have any of you had a similar experience using Corn Head Grease:confused:

frenchy dehoux 05-24-2012 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Vic Piano (Post 430821)
Grease Question

When we rebuilt the LZ’s transmission, I installed an NOS U joint and new gaskets. I packed the U joint with Corn Head grease and, after assembly I pumped more grease into the housing. Everything is working well except that after driving the car and letting it sit overnight, I’m finding little Corn Head “gifts” on the garage floor. I’ve driven the LZ about 500 miles and the other day, after finding more grease on the floor; I pumped almost a full tube of Corn Head grease into the housing:eek:. This grease is “low Temp” so that it lubricates the U joint instead of just coating the interior of the housing through centrifugal force. I have not been able to identify the area that the grease is leaking from and I’m wondering if packing the U joint will just become another part of normal maintenance only on a more frequent basis… Have any of you had a similar experience using Corn Head Grease:confused:

Vic

After I have driven my Hot Rod Lincoln a few miles I have noticed a small amount of grease / oil on the floor coming directly from the clam shell where the grease is put in at the fitting somehow it must be the cork strips that you install in the the half clam shell it must be bypassing the seal and leaking out just a small amount nothing to worry. I have the 39 Zephyr transmission in my car. See a picture of the clam shell below also the movement of the enclosed drive tube up and down passing by between the clam shell and the tube.

Thanks
Frenchy

Vic Piano 05-24-2012 11:00 AM

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Vic

After I have driven my Hot Rod Lincoln a few miles I have noticed a small amount of grease / oil on the floor coming directly from the clam shell where the grease is put in at the fitting somehow it must be the cork strips that you install in the the half clam shell it must be bypassing the seal and leaking out just a small amount nothing to worry. I have the 39 Zephyr transmission in my car. See a picture of the clam shell below also the movement of the enclosed drive tube up and down passing by between the clam shell and the tube.

Thanks
Frenchy

Frenchy,
Thanks for letting me know I’m not the only one:cool:, I thought it might be a normal "Lincoln Leak",:eek: I'll just have to remember to check it more frequently.
Vic

Ken/Alabama 05-24-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vic Piano (Post 430821)
Grease Question

When we rebuilt the LZ’s transmission, I installed an NOS U joint and new gaskets. I packed the U joint with Corn Head grease and, after assembly I pumped more grease into the housing. Everything is working well except that after driving the car and letting it sit overnight, I’m finding little Corn Head “gifts” on the garage floor. I’ve driven the LZ about 500 miles and the other day, after finding more grease on the floor; I pumped almost a full tube of Corn Head grease into the housing:eek:. This grease is “low Temp” so that it lubricates the U joint instead of just coating the interior of the housing through centrifugal force. I have not been able to identify the area that the grease is leaking from and I’m wondering if packing the U joint will just become another part of normal maintenance only on a more frequent basis… Have any of you had a similar experience using Corn Head Grease:confused:

Hey Vic, Is your nos u-joint one of the Lincoln joints with needle bearings or a Ford joint ? Im considering putting a Ford joint in my Zephyr,every Lincoln joint I have seen is worn out . Seems to me there would have to be some thin grease in there to work its way into one of those Lincoln joints. Anyone else have any thoughts on this ?

frenchy dehoux 05-24-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken/Alabama (Post 431000)
Hey Vic, Is your nos u-joint one of the Lincoln joints with needle bearings or a Ford joint ? Im considering putting a Ford joint in my Zephyr,every Lincoln joint I have seen is worn out . Seems to me there would have to be some thin grease in there to work its way into one of those Lincoln joints. Anyone else have any thoughts on this ?


Ken

Just to let you know I have a new Zephyr U joint in my 39 Zephyr trans and originally I was going to install a Ford U joint to find out it will not work on the Zephyr splines as it is smaller and doesn't go on. The Zephyr spline comming out of the transmission is different than the Ford I was hoping to change it for the Ford style because there are more of them than the Zephyr and cheaper.

Frenchy

Vic Piano 05-24-2012 01:50 PM

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Ken

Just to let you know I have a new Zephyr U joint in my 39 Zephyr trans and originally I was going to install a Ford U joint to find out it will not work on the Zephyr splines as it is smaller and doesn't go on. The Zephyr spline comming out of the transmission is different than the Ford I was hoping to change it for the Ford style because there are more of them than the Zephyr and cheaper.

Frenchy

Frenchy & Ken,
The U joint I used was on the back of a '46 Ford transmission that I got several years ago, it fit with no problems. The Ford & Lincoln part #'s are the same, B-7090 for the U Joint Assembly. :cool:

frenchy dehoux 05-24-2012 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic Piano (Post 431048)
Frenchy & Ken,
The U joint I used was on the back of a '46 Ford transmission that I got several years ago, it fit with no problems. The Ford & Lincoln part #'s are the same, B-7090 for the U Joint Assembly. :cool:


Vic

Thanks I was told they were different spline from the Zephyr and Ford.

Frenchy

Ken/Alabama 05-24-2012 03:47 PM

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I was thinking the two transmissions shared the same mainshaft

Vic Piano 05-24-2012 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken/Alabama (Post 431119)
I was thinking the two transmissions shared the same mainshaft



Everything but the case is the same in the '39 Ford & '39 LZ transmission as far as part #'s go. I used all Ford parts; it pays to cross reference part #'s as a lot of Ford & Merc parts are used on the LZ.:cool:

frenchy dehoux 05-24-2012 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic Piano (Post 431156)
Everything but the case is the same in the '39 Ford & '39 LZ transmission as far as part #'s go. I used all Ford parts; it pays to cross reference part #'s as a lot of Ford & Merc parts are used on the LZ.:cool:


Vic

Thanks for the info.

Frenchy

Vic Piano 05-29-2012 06:41 AM

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I hope everyone enjoyed the long weekend and remembered those that gave their lives to protect our freedom... I got nothing done as far as working on Flatheads goes (still haven't put the plug wire looms in) but I've been enjoying driving the LZ with all the other new parts installed. I’m going to pull the distributor to clean/service it and install the new gasket set. Here’s a question, do any of you know if the terminal plates have corresponding numbers (relating to which plug wire goes where) on them?

41ford1 05-29-2012 07:03 AM

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According to the verbiage in the manual they are marked like the V8 caps. The following was pulled from the section on the V12.

ASSEMBLY.
Note the numbers on the wire ends. Insert the wires

in
their proper positions in the distributor caps and conduit, and connect

the other end of the wires to the corresponding numbers in the
terminal plate.

Vic Piano 05-29-2012 07:53 AM

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Thanks, I thought it would be like the V8's but I wasn't sure, I appreciate the information.

Vic Piano 05-29-2012 04:58 PM

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Today I finally got a chance to mess with the LZ so I installed the plug wire looms,:) pulled the distributor, cleaned it up, put new gaskets, etc. Later this week I'll try to get the distributor installed and fired up.:cool:
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n...012/002-25.jpg

Steves46 05-29-2012 05:37 PM

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Vic, that really looks nice. The color blend is terrific! :cool: Steve

Vic Piano 05-29-2012 06:38 PM

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Steve, thanks, once everything is cleaned up and painted she should look fine...:) right now I just want her to run so I can have some fun with her while I wait for the floor pans from Bradley’s...:eek: Hoping to play again this Saturday, think you can cruise up?:cool: Vic

Ken/Alabama 05-29-2012 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic Piano (Post 433705)
I hope everyone enjoyed the long weekend and remembered those that gave their lives to protect our freedom... I got nothing done as far as working on Flatheads goes (still haven't put the plug wire looms in) but I've been enjoying driving the LZ with all the other new parts installed. I’m going to pull the distributor to clean/service it and install the new gasket set. Here’s a question, do any of you know if the terminal plates have corresponding numbers (relating to which plug wire goes where) on them?

They are marked but its easy to get #6 and #9 mixed up so watch out for that.

Vic Piano 05-30-2012 06:11 AM

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Ken, I experienced my first screw up ever...:eek: LOL! I thought that the LZ marked the plugs like the Ford...:confused: Wrong...:( I had to retrace each plug wire as the LZ has odd numbers on left head and even numbers on the right head... Take away… If all else fails, read the instructions…:o

TomT/Williamsburg 05-30-2012 07:15 AM

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Reading the instructions is NOT in the instructions - or is it? I never read them .... until I'm in deep trouble - LOL!

Vic Piano 05-30-2012 10:32 AM

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This morning I cleaned up and inspected the distributor & coil, installed new gaskets, etc.:) Everything was working fine before I took it out of the LZ so I didn't want to disassemble everything to give it a super cleaning.:cool:
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VeryTangled 05-30-2012 04:12 PM

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Amazing, keep it comin' Vic! So similar and yet so different!

-VeryTangled

Vic Piano 05-30-2012 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by VeryTangled (Post 434501)
Amazing, keep it comin' Vic! So similar and yet so different!

-VeryTangled

Yup, I put everything back together and fired her up only to find that I must have crossed plug wires (maybe on #6 & #9) like Ken said.:mad: Oh well, looks like I'll have to pull everything out and try it again...:eek: I'll just keep repeating "I love my flatheads"...:D:cool:

Vic Piano 06-02-2012 02:07 PM

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Well, things are back to normal here at the garage...:)
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Mike, Don, Steve and Cliff came over this morning and we fixed the crossed plug wires in the LZ... Now she's running like she should...:D Steve and I changed the oil in the '39 CS before the other guys got to the garage and after we fixed the LZ we put Don's '37 on the lift to give it a grease job.
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After we finished with Don's car we all climbed into the Zephyr and went for (you guessed it) PIZZA...:eek::D Life is good once more, now it's time to take the LZ for a nice drive.:cool:

41ford1 06-02-2012 03:03 PM

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I'll bet you're happy things are back to normal. The pickups and Don's '37 are looking good. Good enough to come north for a tour in August!!


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