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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work and we are donnne
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02867.jpg my guess was an antenna? http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02854.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02868.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02869.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02870.jpg more random taped up holes i found. http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02871.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02872.jpg some more damage http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02874.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02875.jpg a few marks left from the stud gun http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02876.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02877.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02878.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02880.jpg these are gonna be no fun. body line doesnt match to save its life http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02882.jpg |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work 1 thing i learned is you can really beat 16 gauge sheetmetal.
heres another poorly made non fitting heater hole patch panel. http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02884.jpg the mess im working with http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02885.jpg fit http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02886.jpg notice the extra 1/8 inch of bead http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02887.jpg the blue line is how wide it should be.i hammered the hell outa the area on the other side of the blue line to flatten it out so the beads matched http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02888.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02889.jpg the bottom piece was really no fun http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02891.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02893.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02900.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02904.jpg what i ended up with |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work i really have no idea how it came out this clean but hey im not complaining!!
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02938.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02940.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02943.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02947.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02949.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02950.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02951.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC02954.jpg next im onto the patch panels...joyyyy!! |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work wheel well time. customer decided to put the patch panels we had in for the wheel wells
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03000.jpg trim trim trim mess mess mess http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03001.jpg subframe cracked and thin http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03003.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03004.jpg cut it out! http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03006.jpg patch http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03008.jpg look mom no clamps!!! got a nice tight fit http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03009.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03010.jpg welded up http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03013.jpg didnt get a pic of the bottom trimmed down http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03018.jpg doneeee http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03019.jpg onto the wheel well next |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work wheel well patch sittin in place
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03030.jpg some primer on the subframe and some weld-through primer on the lower part of the patch because i dont know if the patch gets spot welded to the subframe once ya wrap it around or not. http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03031.jpg tacked in . i usually dont work with that many tacks but for this one it seemed impossible not to. there were alot of variations in where the patch panel wanted to sit and where the og wheel well was so a ton of tacks it was http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03032.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03052.jpg finished up! http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03053.jpg for future reference it took a little more then 18 feet of tig rod to weld in the patch haha http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03056.jpg another view http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03058.jpg |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Next side
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03062.jpg more subframe rusty-ness http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03064.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03065.jpg new piece of subframe with some shrinker stretcher action to mimic the stock piece http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...d/DSC03068.jpg sitting in place finished up the sub-frame welded up and primed. it was a fun piece to make with the curve in it http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._5358388_n.jpg this quarter was pretty tweaked. Hard to see if the pic it took a good hit at one point http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._4042985_n.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._7721222_n.jpg file hammer repeat to infinity http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._8225624_n.jpg came out pretty nice the body line still need work http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._4035981_n.jpg the quality of the panels hahahah http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._7481912_n.jpg and we are tacked in http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._2537831_n.jpg |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work decklid
someone had a dance on this thing!! http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._6673360_n.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...8_149632_n.jpg most of this was stud gun work mostly all the dents were behind braces. and some shrinking hammer here and there about half way through http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._7708450_n.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._1396740_n.jpg its not 100 percent metal finished but its pretty damn nice in my book http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._4479739_n.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._5409463_n.jpg |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work got the patch panels from macs in the mail today. JUNK! same as the other ones just on a better piece of metal.
so it needed more subframe work nothing fancy or pretty here http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...5_292815_n.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._4696384_n.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._2529580_n.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._7811214_n.jpg heres the og piece of body line i have to re weld in after fixing the subframe.gonna keep as much of this around as possible because aparently it is impossible to remake . http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._4313933_n.jpg im making my own panels now. so far i have a much nice start then what i got as a patch panel. i used a piece of 20 guage for the first run just to see what i could make it do and i like the results. switich to 18 gauge for the final product. i used my commie bead roller some conduit and bruce springsteen on the ipod. wish i woulda started working on these in the begining of the day instead of messing with the patch panels. i made this up in about 20 mins and quite happy once i get the hard line from the step die out i think ill be good to go http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._4794472_n.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._6516962_n.jpg you can see i started to get the hard line out on the edge. pretty excited about this!! http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._6542961_n.jpg |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Nice work and nice narrative (--albeit a little crude with some of the unnecessary foul language!!!). Thanks for sharing.
You are correct that in most instances the commercially available patch panels are indeed junk. While I did not see it mentioned, I am sure you also found those inner fender patches did not have the correct shape stamped into them, nor is the beads like the originals. Truly sad for all the effort that goes into this area. I'm sure that you will probably fabricate those next time too just so you can make them look closer to original. I guess that is why they say "experience is something you get after you need it!" :D Next time your experience will let you be able to tell the customer that he will need to let you make them yourselves!! ;) On a side note if you don't mind me asking, did you do this project on a 'Time & Materials' cost to him, ...or did you quote a turn-key price for the whole project beforehand, --and if so, would you do it for the same price again now that you know what all was involved?? Again, nice job & thanks for sharing. (...and BTW, I could not get your website to open.) . |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Update; kept trying and it finally opened so there must have been some cyberland issues due to 'cold weather'! http://model-a-ford.com/LOL.gif
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Hats off to you on the work.Just glad im not footing the bill. RAY
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work You clearly do nice work, but I have a question.
Why did you do the whole wheel well patch? There was only a little bit of metal at the bottom that was bad. From my experience it is fairly quick to make and weld in a a patch at the bottom of the wheel well. When you consider the length of the weld to do the whole arc and the cost of the panels. In the end I think you use less time and materials to make your own patch and weld it in. I have encouraged several other people to make their own patches. In each case they have been surprised with how easy and quick the job went. |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work WOW! Thanks for sharing, and looks like excellent work. What color(s) has owner selected/
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Not a bad days's work!!!:D
Really looks great and so nice to see another Model A come back to life as an original. Man, am I glad my 3 Model A's don't need patch panels!:eek: Just curious, about how many hours to do this much work? |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Keep the updates coming. I think this is the first build thread I've ever seen on this forum, whereas on the HAMB there are litterly hundreds of them. Keep up the good work and as I said, keep the updates coming!!
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work It is nice to see a young guy like yourself really take hold of this kind of work and do such a great job. Your intense conscientious attitude and great interest makes this happen and you are to be highly commended. BUT, take it kindly from and older guy with three sons much older than you, be more discreet in the language you use. You don't need to impress anybody that way. Your fine work speaks volumes for you in a much more positive way. Keep up the great work and think twice about using those loose words, they will only detract from your acceptance by others and results in people looking upon you as a person of lesser class. You show exceptional talent and deserve to be highly respected for it. Good luck to you from an old body shop guy.
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Quote:
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Thanks Brent. We need to encourage this kind of talent and interest which truly comes from the love of this kind of work. And what I see of your work Brent, you are a fine example of this. Keep it up.
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Some nice work Brent. Looks like the Coupe had all of the regular weak areas. The Tig does a nice job. I've got to learn to Tig. Only a Oxy-acetylene and Mig guy. Nice to see some metal finishing as well. Keep up the good work.
Here`s some picture of a 30 I`m working on that someone had brazed in sections of the Upper Quarter panel sections. The Old Tinbasher. John Poole |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Ready to try fiberglass instead?
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work thanks for the criticism i appreciate it guys .changed some things to be more well spoken.
Brent i dont know if i would try to make the wheel wells myself . im sure if the customer was picky enough i would be .i would not know how to make a bead that big and the way the panel bends in at the front. this project is strictly time. thanks ray Kevin .I did the whole wheel well because 1 .the subframe was trashed . thats the main reason. def less work puttin the new piece in then all of the hammer and dolly work to straighten the orig piece plus the metal was torn and thin around all the fender studs. wheel well install was about 5 hours to what ya see now. 1931. He mentioned a 2 tone light brown dark brown. Tom .right now ill be in around 26 hours after i weld the passenger side wheel well in. thinking a hair over 35 to finish everything up that needs addressed . Loumo .i appreciate the feedback!! Tinbasher. ive never used the torch to weld but man is a tig amazing !i dont think i will ever use a mig on sheetmetal again if i can help it at this point. more pics when i get some more work done.thanks alot guys! |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work I'm not a bodyman, but sure would have guessed a lot more time than you said to do that amount of work. Nice goin' :)
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work VERY NICE!!!!
That is a lot of very nice work for only having 26 hours in it. I do not know what your hourly rate is but I think the owner is getting a very good deal. Most "Body Shops" do not know how to metal finish. They will just weld in pieces with a MIG and Bondo everything and call it good. It is good to see this quality of work. Chris |
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John, You are a bit too modest in your postings and I'm sure some others would like to see some examples of the quality work you do on your web site. http://www.tinbasher.com/order.html I've seen a couple of your son's race cars and they are show quality. |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work I have done about the same amount of work on my coupe, however, it has taken me about 4-5 times more hours. I cannot afford to hire myself.
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work heres what i did today
the wheel well is in and it fought every minute of it for some reason .oil cans here oil cans there what a pain but it came out nice in the end. http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._2276244_n.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._2632952_n.jpg tomorrows mission pick up some 18 gauge and make the lower quarter patches and body lines!! |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Very nice work. Keep it up.
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Flop, you're an artist. it does my heart good to see that someone with both skill & pride in workmanship will be around to take care of these cars after I'm gone. keep us informed of the progress on this one!
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work This guy is a artist , I wish to have his skill,
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Flop,
Wow! Thanks for sharing. Where did you get such knowledge of metal forming at such young age? Rick |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Nice work Mr. Flop.
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work thanks fred
appreciate it chris and gerard! hardtime it kinda came naturally. started messing with cars when i was 15 and got a 55 caddy that needed a ton . rust ,mechanical the whole deal. now ive been through 10 or 15 cars and it just progressed into what ya see .it takes time alot of patience and a sharp eye. I strive to do work like guys like bass kustom and steve sellers those guys are always rasing the bar !! thanks michelle heres what i got done today since noone can make a quarter patch that looks right http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._5369438_n.jpg more info when i finish it completely |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Is that zincanneal or zincseal you are using?
These may be OZ names. Is it DQ (drawing quality) also? |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work pooch here its called galvanneal get it dirt cheap from the hvac supplier near by.
what do ya mean by drawing quailty? |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Yeh galvanneal sounds like same stuff as ours here.
DQ is annealed very soft. It is hard to get, most of the zincanneal is high tensile. Easy enough for swaging and straight runs, but almost impossible to contour/stretch/shrink shapes into it. |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Flop, would you mind post pictures of the tools you used to shape the body lines?
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work you sir are truly a artist and work fast!why couldnt i ever find someone such as yourself when i needed something fabricated. keep up the good work !!!
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Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work thanks guys
ive never had any problems with galvaneal pooch . stock .mine.repop panel http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._5081609_n.jpg alllll taacked in finally!!! http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._1877624_n.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._3415680_n.jpg also tiged up some stress cracks behind the bracket that holds the support rod to the rad http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...4_942801_n.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p..._7666935_n.jpg |
Re: 1930 Ford Sheetmetal Work Super build thread! Nice to see (and show) not everybody needs a 55 gallon drum of Bondo. The language tends to stay bible-belt clean here, unlike the H.A.M.B., but don't let that get ya down, I didn't really notice it until commented on. I'd like to be a fly on the wall and listen to the language patrol when the proverbial body hammer/ dolly finger pinch occurs. :p My wife keeps a cuss-pot and occasionally uses the money to buy me repro parts. She figures a 2:1 return on investment.
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