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Nabco 07-17-2016 11:38 AM

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So I have my engine compartment looking really nice, the only area that looks a little off is the muffler clamp....see pic.

For some reason my father-in-law packed a bunch of sealer around the connection, not sure why. My question is am I going to open a can of worms if I remove the sealer and put on a new clamp.....right now it seems to be well sealed, it runs quiet with no leaks.

I'm probably better off just leaving it alone but thought I would ask.

Thanks

Nick

Steve Plucker 07-17-2016 11:43 AM

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If you are happy with the "looks", then leave it...BUT if it were me, and a few others I might add, and you want it to look really, really nice, then I would just take some time and clean it up and get rid of those pesky "worms"!!! Remove the manifold to or just clean it up on the engine. I think you would be much more happy then.

Pluck

DJ S 07-17-2016 11:47 AM

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I personally would leave it... Although it is an eye sore, there's a reason behind most things.

Nabco 07-17-2016 11:52 AM

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Thanks guys...

Most of me goes along with what Steve said, I know I'd be much happier if it looked better.....that said part of me got along with what DJ said, I'm guessing my father-in-law put it there for a reason but n the other hand he often did things to be on the safe side.

If I do decide to mess with it, besides a new clamp, and it sounds like Snyder's has a good one, is there anything else I should buy.

1930artdeco 07-17-2016 11:55 AM

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Nope it is just the clamp, manifold and muffler. That is all that is there.

Mike

Nabco 07-17-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 1930artdeco (Post 1325197)
Nope it is just the clamp, manifold and muffler. That is all that is there.

Mike

Thank you Mike

DJ S 07-17-2016 11:57 AM

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Well, it all depends and you won't know what you're dealing with until you pull it apart. For all you know, the flange on the muffler could be all mangled and you may need to rework the flange or need to purchase an entirely new muffler. For starters I would purchase a new muffler clamp from brattons, an exhaust sleeve, and new brass nuts and bolts.

Nabco 07-17-2016 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ S (Post 1325199)
Well, it all depends and you won't know what you're dealing with until you pull it apart. For all you know, the flange on the muffler could be all mangled and you may need to rework the flange or need to purchase an entirely new muffler. For starters I would purchase a new muffler clamp from brattons, an exhaust sleeve, and new brass nuts and bolts.

Thank you DJ....

Brentwood Bob 07-17-2016 12:49 PM

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I would hold off buying parts until you see what you have.

Big hammer 07-17-2016 02:17 PM

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That mess of worms maybe asbestes! I would remove it wet with water and outdoors!

bunnyc 07-17-2016 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dj s (Post 1325188)
i personally would leave it... Although it is an eye sore, there's a reason behind most things.

^x2

ronn 07-17-2016 04:01 PM

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I would cut it off- looks ugly as sin!

Mitch//pa 07-17-2016 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ronn (Post 1325318)
I would cut it off- looks ugly as sin!

Ronn Ya think:eek:

My ass would be buying a new exhaust porcelain coated, and intake manifolds, copper manifold gasket, new studs and nuts / washers, pc'ed exhaust/ pipe clamp, insert pipe and a muffler assy if need be :):). But DAD sends me lots of $$ each month also:rolleyes:
SAsooonoout

mshmodela 07-17-2016 07:03 PM

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If you feel it's an eye sore go for it... I happen loose a but on my clamp the other day and for about $20 (includes shipping) you can have it the way you want.. Besides, as I discovered on mine it was a leak point...

glenn in camino 07-17-2016 07:26 PM

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I use a coat of sealer on the muffler flange, a sleeve and a good clamp with proper bolts and brass nuts. Skip the copper gasket. They don't work for long.

Steve Plucker 07-17-2016 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by glenn in camino (Post 1325416)
I use a coat of sealer on the muffler flange, a sleeve and a good clamp with proper bolts and brass nuts. Skip the copper gasket. They don't work for long.

Times 2!

Steve Wastler 07-17-2016 09:26 PM

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It may be just that I'm viewing on my phone, but it appears your exhaust manifold has at least one hole in it above the clamp....

heneste 07-17-2016 09:40 PM

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I agree with Steve Wastler, it looks like you're missing quite a bit of the clamp material and possibly some of the lower end of the manifold. Do you know if the lower end of the manifold has a good surface? If you open it up, you may either be patching or replacing the manifold if that surface is bad.

Nabco 07-17-2016 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by heneste (Post 1325463)
I agree with Steve Wastler, it looks like you're missing quite a bit of the clamp material and possibly some of the lower end of the manifold. Do you know if the lower end of the manifold has a good surface? If you open it up, you may either be patching or replacing the manifold if that surface is bad.

Thanks guys just went out and checked, definitely no holes, it's solid, I do think if I just tapped on the dried sealant that is on there it would probably just fall off. One of my concerns is if I do clean off the sealant there is something wrong under it and that's why my father-in-law used the sealant....I've been really enjoying the car this summer, driving her almost every day and she's running great, I don't want to get into something I can't easily get resolved and miss out on driving her.

1crosscut 07-17-2016 10:07 PM

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Personally I would open it up and see just what the deal is with the "repair".
It's possible the fix is not going to be as simple as pulling it apart, cleaning it up and putting it back together. But... it just might be.
Lining up the muffler to the exhaust manifold can be a bit of a challenge especially when doing it solo. It is possible that your father in law just got frustrated trying to get it together and ended up slathering it up with a sealer. That would be the best discovery I would think.
It could be that the flange on the muffler is rusted, bent or missing some of it. In that case you can if your handy with a welder patch it up and make it work... for a while.
When you do get it sorted out and go to put the muffler back together use a floor jack to hold the muffler lightly against the manifold in order to allow you to get things lined up just right. Loosening the tail pipe clamp first will help in getting things lined up. After you get it lined up carefully lower the floor jack just enough to put a light bead of muffler sealant on the female flange of the muffler and jack it back into place against the manifold. Then put on your muffler clamp. Remember there is an up and a down on the clamp.
Having a second person to help line things up is a definite plus in doing this.
Taking the time to get it lined up perfectly is key in getting a long lasting seal.

eagle 07-17-2016 10:13 PM

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Leave it be until you shut her down this winter. Will be a nice project for a cold winter day in the shop. By the looks of it, it could be a nasty can of worms.

Tom Wesenberg 07-17-2016 10:35 PM

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Just tap it off. It looks like it's ready to fall off anyway.

Nabco 07-17-2016 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg (Post 1325497)
Just tap it off. It looks like it's ready to fall off anyway.

Tom, if I did not it off and there was a problem that I didn't want to deal with now could I reseal it and if so what do I use to do that....thanks

Tom Wesenberg 07-18-2016 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nabco (Post 1325504)
Tom, if I did not it off and there was a problem that I didn't want to deal with now could I reseal it and if so what do I use to do that....thanks

I don't know what you'd use, but if the manifold is that bad then I'd buy a better one or a new one.

burner31 07-18-2016 10:12 AM

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Don't do anything until Winter comes and the driving season is over.
If it's working OK just leave it for now.
Decide what you want to do when it's off the road for the Winter.

Nabco 07-18-2016 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by burner31 (Post 1325644)
Don't do anything until Winter comes and the driving season is over.
If it's working OK just leave it for now.
Decide what you want to do when it's off the road for the Winter.

I think that is exactly what I'm going to do....thanks

tinkirk 07-18-2016 11:47 AM

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they do sell cooper/ brass sealing rings /gaskets that I had to use on my sons to get it to seal
http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/exhaust-seal

while ordering a clamp you might want to order a couple of these also

Terry

BILL WILLIAMSON 07-19-2016 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitch//pa (Post 1325327)
Ronn Ya think:eek:

My ass would be buying a new exhaust porcelain coated, and intake manifolds, copper manifold gasket, new studs and nuts / washers, pc'ed exhaust/ pipe clamp, insert pipe and a muffler assy if need be :):). But DAD sends me lots of $$ each month also:rolleyes:
SAsooonoout

DON'T believe him! I BARELY have $$$'s for my JET-FUEL COFFEE BUDGET:eek:
Dad

Special Coupe Frank 07-19-2016 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by burner31 (Post 1325644)
Don't do anything until Winter comes and the driving season is over.
If it's working OK just leave it for now.
Decide what you want to do when it's off the road for the Winter.

x2 :cool:

Bruce 07-19-2016 11:25 AM

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Here was the trick that one of the engine builders displayed at the Loveland MAFCA meet. It is heavy heating and air-conditioning-type tape. One wrap with the clamp over it. I think I will try it next time I adjust the valves.
I use the putty-in-a-tube and the "nut-less" clamp that somebody is selling. Eliminating the nuts and washers makes the connection a LOT easier.

Nabco 07-19-2016 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce (Post 1326187)
Here was the trick that one of the engine builders displayed at the Loveland MAFCA meet. It is heavy heating and air-conditioning-type tape. One wrap with the clamp over it. I think I will try it next time I adjust the valves.
I use the putty-in-a-tube and the "nut-less" clamp that somebody is selling. Eliminating the nuts and washers makes the connection a LOT easier.

Thanks Bruce

Domino 07-19-2016 12:53 PM

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As they say "if it ain't broke don't fix it". I have done simple little jobs and ended up spending hours on what should have been a 30 minute job. Being under the hood most of the time it goes unseen. Seems to me if things lined up correctly the previous owner would not have done a patch job. If you decide to deal with it, the suggestion it be saved for the off season seems reasonable.

Charlie Stephens 07-19-2016 01:20 PM

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Another tip when you are replacing the muffler use a floor jack under the muffler to hold things in alignment while you tighten the clamp. Don't apply too much force or you will dent the muffler, it just takes a little.

Charlie Stepehns


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