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The results of Torowus auction today. These are prices of cars or major parts of cars. There isn't enough time to list the parts.
Crosley Hotshot 800
29 around the yard dump 1,000
29 rusty pickup 5,000
29 tudor body on frame 1200
Bluebird tractor 450
Mullins trailer 3,000
8N Tractor 800
31 Sedan Delivery 8200
29 Depression tractor 725
Pickup cowl & valance w/title 525
63 Falcon conv 7000
30 DeLuxe Phaeton 12,000
43 GPW Jeep 19,500
31slant window sedan 4,000
28 pickup 10,000
Karmann Ghia conv 9,100
31 pickup cab w/title 4,000
31 Panel truck 10,100
32 tudor sedan 32,000
30-31 roadster in pieces w/title 4500
30-31sport coupe body 1400
straight wind cabriolet cowl & doors 200
30-31 roadster body w/title 3400

a few cars were brought in from another estate.
nice 31 coupe 11,000
55 Thunderbird 13,500
Mazda 550
35 Cadillac in pieces 6250

hard to believe this much stuff could be accumulated by one man. I doubt there'll ever be another auction like this

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I beg to differ, I predict we'll be seeing more in the coming years.

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Looks like the 6 % Buyers premium kept the prices down on the cars.

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Having looked at the cars on Friday Wick- prices tended to be a little on the high side.

big surprise for me was the 32 ford tudor- I expected around 20k. Great car with a 30 year old restoration that could use a bit of polish.
Great jeep, but no title. Ghia, totally maxed out on price. A delivery was high, needing complete new wood, but where are you going to find one?
The bargains were, the panel truck and sport coupe body.
Thank you Dave, for sharing the results and btw- the weather was terrible!

just an opinion............

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For all the hype, those prices seemed reasonable. Was there a large crowd?

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So you mean the cars were not good? That's a crazy price for a jeep

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Here's the link to look at the cars

https://www.facebook.com/antiquecarpartsauction/

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It was snowing hard during the auction. Lots of the parts went for giveaway prices.

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So you mean the cars were not good? That's a crazy price for a jeep

first of all, you have to understand the rarity of that jeep- Ford Jeep-very few made and extremely
collectible
the cars looked better in the photos then in person to me................... so the prices were pretty strong. I was there for the 180 and 12k was certainly fair. The frame had sag and the interior wood frame needed to be completely redone, so I was not a contender. It was from South America, as the cut out for the right hand steering column was there.
I am sure many parts went cheap, but just wasnt interested in parts with a 13% premium, bad weather and large crowds, so I passed on the auction, but loved seeing the preview on Friday.

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They posted videos of the Jeep and Panel Delivery auctions on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/antiquecarpartsauction/

Not sure if that link will work for everyone.

-Tim

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Buyer's 'penalties' are a turn off when it comes to auctions at least for me. I never bother with an auction that charges that. To me it's a big rip-off. Throw 6% or so on top of the 10% sometimes 20% the auctioneer is getting,,, yeah right.

At the Iowa Gas petroliana auction in August they charge a buyer's fee plus Ia. state sales tax. Haven't been back there in almost 15 years won't waste my time.

Local auctioneer that goes to our church told me that Illinois proposed a sales tax a number of years ago for items sold at auction and that went down in a big ball of flame, crashed and burned. Never brought up again.At least that was one good thing that came out of Springfield;).

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Local auctioneer that goes to our church told me that Illinois proposed a sales tax a number of years ago for items sold at auction and that went down in a big ball of flame, crashed and burned. Never brought up again.At least that was one good thing that came out of Springfield

same thing has occurred at Hershey over the years....... small time vendors have run away. Dennis Carpenter was clever enough to circumvent PA sales tax-you go to his booth, look at the part and pick up one of the many phones present and make a call to his place in the Carolinas and order the part..............................;).
clever guy!

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Did any club members by his cars ??

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I saw a guy in a parts store that was driving down for the Jeep.He has some real odd military equipment,and was hoping to score that jeep for $15,000.He was banking on the fact that it didn't have a title,hoping it would turn buyers off.That is a zero issue for us,no title required.I have no idea if the bought it or not,as I really don't know him well,I only see him at parts stores and cruise nights.He said it was a 7 hour ride for him to get there.

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Rainy and snowy all day it must have snowed 3 inches and lots of parts got covered and some times hard to see what you were buying. The crowd thinned as the morning went on due to the weather but the true car guys stuck around and got soaked. From my point of view a premium was paid for the good stuff. Well worth my 7 hour ride to attend the auction and pick up a few parts I wanted. My only regret was not paying 300.00 for the 28 roadster windshield frame but the other guy really wanted it. Hard to say what his stopping point was but it went to a good home.

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Any summaries of what stuff sold for?

What did engines sell for and what not. Just curious on some local spot prices.

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Model A engines sold for 30.00-40.00 a piece. Trans sold for 50-60 bucks except the 1 early 28 with flat pedals and multi disc clutch. The high bidder had a choice of frames for 325.00. Pallets of misc parts 10.00 bucks. I think the big surprise for me was the 30-31 truck cab for 4200.00

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The 32 V8 engine only brought 2300. Straight windshield cabriolet cowl and doors only 200 High price for the cab but it had a title. cowl and valance with title for 525 was cheap.A lot of deals if you had the perseverance. I still don't think you'll see more auctions like this due to the scale.Especially this much Model A

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Sorry but that Auction will look like a Yard Sale here in Va! There 3 Model A collections with quality sheet metal,engines,cars within a 100 mile radius of Richmond VA. that I've seen already. Then there's the 32 ford collection in N.C.

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Straight windshield cabriolet cowl and doors only 200 High price for the cab but it had a title.

Title is worth 500. all day long, so not so sure that was high. Free parts in my book!

Roadster windshield for 300. that's big money........................
tons of motors, not sure who would have wtd to move them in that weather.
Just getting the stuff out of there would have been a pain. Better to pu on Sunday.

yes the truck cab for 4200. was insanity!

Well, hopefully Mike's family was happy with the end result and some of the buyers walked away happy.
Listening to the banter of the auctioneer, I was surprised that a more talented "caller" wasnt used.

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Ronn,I was reading that he was talking about the pickup cab.Without the period in there it looks like one sentence.I think anyway.That cab would bring that money where I am if it was solid.Title here is worth zero.

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Excuse me for my ignorance, but how can a truck cab have a title? I know it is possible, but without an engine or frame with the serial number on it how can it be verified? Don't ask, don't tell, I guess. Maybe there is something about NJ titles that I don't know.

I wanted to go to the auction just to see what happened, but life intervened.

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NJ titles have always been considered very good. NJ was early on issuing them and they have always seemed to be well accepted.

Some few states are pretty simplistic in how you title and old car so those people would not care. In most of the other states a valid NJ title may mean less hassles in doing a transfer.

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MHS,

think of it this way, how many times have you seen a rodder say, body and title not for sale, all chassis parts for sale?

I have bought plenty of chassis this way. Yes, I know the motor # is the serial #, but you will see chassis for sale all of the time on CL or the HAMB this way.

It is up to you to obtain your own title at that point............

Mike already had titles for many of his bodies, however it was done.........

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I've heard guys say "I have a title, and a set of number stamps. No problem"

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Thanks, Ronn. Not to get into a philosophical or legal discussion here, but what is the title to, exactly? Modern cars it is the VIN, which is part of the body, so that is the car. With a Model A it is either the engine or the chassis, which have the serial number on it. It is one or the other, but we all know engines get swapped. Why couldn't someone say, I have the door for a Tudor for sale and it comes with title? How can you prove it one way or the other. I guess this is why there is a market for titles.

No need for anyone to respond, just a mental exercise for me today. :-)

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Some serious NJ April snow. Ha, I have the air conditioning on here in SW Houston.

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For NJ a title is need to get plates.

I have seen more then one car where the numbers on the car don't match the title, but it has plates.

A title has different meanings to people depending on the state you come from. Here in NJ we like titles, but out state is pretty good about paperwork from other states. Other states you seem to go through hell to get to the point where you can get plates on the car depending on stuff.

I was kind of surprised when I bought a car from VT. At the time all you needed was a bill of sale. You send them the old plates and they send you a regisration and plates. I took them to NJ DMV and walked out with a NJ title and reg.

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A 1930 Deluxe Phaeton sold for only $12,000???? Was it really rough and/or incomplete? A South American right-hand disaster? That price seems mighty cheap, even for an entry level Deluxe Phaeton. Photos or a link to photos?
Thanks.
Marshall

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2X on the Deluxe Phaeton Photo request. Bob

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photos are at the Facebook link

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I see that "Ronn" briefly described the Deluxe Phaeton, although I was still hoping to see a photo. I don't belong to Facebook and do not wish re-activate my erstwhile account that I was coerced into opening a few years ago. I have never posted on it and when I followed the link to see the cars, Facebook pulled a semi-opaque white curtain over the photos with a request to log in or sign up. 'Not going to happen. So, I guess I won't see the photos that way. :(
Marshall

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Someone got a smoking deal on the baby 'bird.

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The cabriolet cowl and doors didn't have a title. When I said the cab was a high price I meant the truck cab for 4,000. compare that to the truck cowl and rear valance for 525 with title.

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I agree that a cab or just a cowl shouldn't come with a title. I guess they had extra titles after they assigned them to the whole cars. They were fast and loose with some of them.

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The baby bird had a 302 engine. An actual thunderbird engine sold separately for about 1500.

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LOL, I'm in the exact same boat.
The internet takes enough time without going to redundant sites.

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What information is on a title?

1) Identification number
2) Year
3) Make
4) Model
5) Body type

The guy that bought the truck has 4 out of the 5 items, and with a set of stamps he has the 5th.

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regarding the phaeton, yes very fair deal. I just didnt want to deal with all new wood, frame sag and the elements and crowds. Nicer one sold on ebay 2 months ago for 12.5k, but was missing top and seats. the seats in the front of this one came out of a tudor and the top was almost dust. I believe the wood on the ebay one was useable. The doors on Mikes were tweaked and you need to redo both the wood and car frame.
The T bird was only worth what it sold for. Much of the paint on these cars left a lot to be desired, and you wont see that in the photos. Even the bargain panel truck had excessive pitting under the paint. So what you see in photos isnt always what you see in person.

thank you for explaining the details on the trk Dave.