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barkleydave 02-08-2015 02:12 PM

Installation of Temp Gauge
 

I now see there are other posts regarding this topic.

One question... Is the APCO gauge mechanical or electronic?

Thanks

daveymc29 02-08-2015 02:34 PM

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May I piggy back on your question and ask about a temp. gauge with a tube from the sensor to the gauge? How can I repair it if need be, it apparently doesn't indicate. I'm going to pull the sensor and submerge it in hot water. If it works I'm fine, but if there is no rise in the gauge, what next? Thanks

Ford1931 02-08-2015 02:34 PM

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That is not a wire, it is a tube that senses pressure with heat. Once you cut it, you now have a wall ornament.

barkleydave 02-08-2015 02:40 PM

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That's what I thought! Just like my MGA gauge
need a pretty big hole to run the cable through the fire wall... ick.

edmondclinton 02-08-2015 02:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by barkleydave (Post 1029941)
I now see there are other posts regarding this topic.

One question... Is the APCO gauge mechanical or electronic?

Thanks


BD, did you say that you installed the sensor probe in the inlet side of the block?

HoarseWhisperer 02-08-2015 03:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daveymc29 (Post 1029951)
May I piggy back on your question and ask about a temp. gauge with a tube from the sensor to the gauge? How can I repair it if need be, it apparently doesn't indicate. I'm going to pull the sensor and submerge it in hot water. If it works I'm fine, but if there is no rise in the gauge, what next? Thanks


http://www.ply33.com/Repair/tempgauge
If you are successful with this repair, please let us know.

Big hammer 02-08-2015 04:46 PM

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Running thru the floor boards many holes would save firewall extra hole

barkleydave 02-08-2015 05:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by edmondclinton (Post 1029967)
BD, did you say that you installed the sensor probe in the inlet side of the block?

Will install probe in upper inlet hose

Mitch//pa 02-08-2015 05:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by barkleydave (Post 1030071)
Will install probe in upper inlet hose

the upper hose is the outlet

barkleydave 02-08-2015 05:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Big hammer (Post 1030037)
Running thru the floor boards many holes would save firewall extra hole

That might work... seen a couple posts one going alone side of steering box.

Also saw a pic where someone stuck through at the terminal block but no detail on how ?

Closer to the speedo the better.

thanks for the info

barkleydave 02-08-2015 05:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa (Post 1030073)
the upper hose is the outlet


OOPS my mistake... O.F.S.

Mitch//pa 02-08-2015 05:53 PM

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i would run it through the toe board

tbirdtbird 02-08-2015 08:22 PM

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why use that gauge?
The dial has a very small sweep, thus is not very accurate.
The probe is mechanical, in this case filled with ether which expands with heat. Can be troublesome
Why not use an electrical sender, that way you are only running a wire
Your FLAPS will have a bunch of temp gauges to choose from. Getting a black and white face is no problem, or whatever you choose. The sender and gauge come in one box. Large sweep= much greater accuracy. Marc H. can better explain why this is than I

daveymc29 02-08-2015 09:05 PM

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I did the hot water test of the sender unit in my top his connection, gauge worked fine, This being a car new to me I hadn't tested it before and had never seen it move much if at all. The hot water had it shoot right up the scale and it coincided reading with a thermometer I had placed in the water. I'm good to go for a while at least. Thanks for the tips on a replacement gauge when the time comes.

Mikeinnj 02-08-2015 09:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tbirdtbird (Post 1030187)
why use that gauge?
The dial has a very small sweep, thus is not very accurate.
The probe is mechanical, in this case filled with ether which expands with heat. Can be troublesome
Why not use an electrical sender, that way you are only running a wire
Your FLAPS will have a bunch of temp gauges to choose from. Getting a black and white face is no problem, or whatever you choose. The sender and gauge come in one box. Large sweep= much greater accuracy. Marc H. can better explain why this is than I

What are the FLAPS that you are referring to ?

tbirdtbird 02-08-2015 10:02 PM

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barkleydave 02-11-2015 10:17 PM

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installed Apco gauge with under instrument panel black single mount.
Fit great and looks even better.

Was able to route through terminal box with small cutout in cover. I am not putting the light in. The OEM dash light illuminates the gauge nicely.

On to next project!

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barkleydave 02-12-2015 08:24 AM

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Here is what it looks like.


http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1423660521

BILL WILLIAMSON 02-12-2015 08:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daveymc29 (Post 1030231)
I did the hot water test of the sender unit in my top his connection, gauge worked fine, This being a car new to me I hadn't tested it before and had never seen it move much if at all. The hot water had it shoot right up the scale and it coincided reading with a thermometer I had placed in the water. I'm good to go for a while at least. Thanks for the tips on a replacement gauge when the time comes.

When shopping for Mechanical Temp Gages or Moto-Meters @ swap meets, take along a BIC lighter to test them with. When buying new repro temp gauges, test them in boiling water, to see if they're reading 212 degrees. Chuck went through 4 new NAPA gauges, to get one that was ACCURATE! (Made in CHINA!)
Bill W.

barkleydave 02-20-2015 09:34 PM

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I put this apco in boiling water... it was dead on..

marc hildebrant 02-21-2015 11:20 AM

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Keep in mind that boiling water is 212 only at sea level. At Longmont Colorado (5000 ft), boiling was about 200 degree's Fahrenheit.

Marc

BILL WILLIAMSON 02-22-2015 10:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marc hildebrant (Post 1037527)
Keep in mind that boiling water is 212 only at sea level. At Longmont Colorado (5000 ft), boiling was about 200 degree's Fahrenheit.

Marc

And, that's why it takes a bit of FOREVER, to cook dry beans, UP THERE! Gotta' soak them overnight!
Bill W.

AL in NY 02-22-2015 11:00 AM

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Don't buy a cheap mechanical temp gauge, their temperature response is generally very slow and their readings aren't usually accurate. Buy a quality Stewart/Warner gauge and you won't be sorry.

barkleydave 03-11-2015 05:23 PM

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Ok weather improving.... took truck out for a short run. (3 miles or so) Outside temp 63 degrees. Ran well had mixture 1/2 open. Ran 40 mph for a mile then pulled into a large parking lot and ran slowing for about 5 min. Gauge was reading just above 165 or so. Headed back on HWY and temp continued to climb to the upper limit of the green. No steam... no overflow no leaks... check radiator fluid temp 10 min. after sitting with a real temp gauge (long stem scientific) Was at 160+ Pegged meter.

Truck has new radiator.. new water pump and fresh antifreeze.

Question: is this normal temp ?

Before I put in the gauge I ran the truck 50 miles at 45 mph and the moto meter never moved. No overheat or loss of fluid.

I am guessing it was running around 180 degrees.

Opinions welcome

Y-Blockhead 03-11-2015 05:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by barkleydave (Post 1048660)
...check radiator fluid temp 10 min. after sitting with a real temp gauge (long stem scientific) Was at 160+ Pegged meter.

Your coolant temperature will normally increase after you shut off the engine. My A temp usually runs ~165°F while moving but when I shut 'er down it with no circulation it will climb to 190°F.

Ray in La Mesa 03-11-2015 09:16 PM

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To see an article on how to repair an old non working gauge, Google "1933 Plymouth temperature gauge repair" I tried it and it worked great! The range of the needle is slightly reduced but you will have your great era gauge working in your era auto.Good luck.

gwhite 03-12-2015 02:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tbirdtbird (Post 1030187)
why use that gauge?
The dial has a very small sweep, thus is not very accurate.
The probe is mechanical, in this case filled with ether which expands with heat. Can be troublesome
Why not use an electrical sender, that way you are only running a wire
Your FLAPS will have a bunch of temp gauges to choose from. Getting a black and white face is no problem, or whatever you choose. The sender and gauge come in one box. Large sweep= much greater accuracy. Marc H. can better explain why this is than I

I've found the opposite to be true; electric gauges available at my FLAPS are off often as much as 20*. I prefer to stick with vintage SW gauges or the original Rex-A-Co units made by US Gauge in the 1930's whenever possible; both are quite accurate.

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barkleydave 03-12-2015 08:02 AM

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I have not had a chance to run it and check with Infrared gun. I am running a 2 blade aluminum fan. The radiator is a new reproduction and the engine was gone through prior to me and has very few miles on it.

It is not leaking... hold coolant level just above the baffle. Sensor is in the top radiator hose. Before I put in the APCO gauge I had driven the truck about 35 miles when I bought it and no sign of overheat. It was a 55 degree day. We shall see what happens as outside temps increase. Since everything is new I do not have much room to play with this potential concern.


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