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Pictures are nice...

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I would also like to see pictures. Depends on the cost to make. How does the one he made you work? A friend also expressed interest.

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The Jets in the Zenith and Holley Carburetors are Millimeter; the only two that require a socket to remove or install are the Cap and Idle jets.

A number of years ago I went to a business that carried Millimeter sizes as well as the standard sizes. Took a Cap and Idle jet with me. A deep well 1/4"
drive 8 millimeter socket fits the Cap jet perfectly; I also got a short 1/4" drive millimeter socket that fit the Idle jet, I ground the end so I could use a small crescent on it. I cannot red the millimeter size as it was where I ground.

For the other Jets I ground a good quality screwdriver to fit the slots so I would not damage the Jets, also narrowed the screwdriver so it would enter the needle driver hole for those carburetors that had a removable needle seat, it also works fine on the Main jet which is installed from the bottom.

Ron

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You can buy a KR Wilson Zenith socket wrench #359 from the Parts vendors that is 9/32 on one end and 5/16 on the Other for $12.00.

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somehow we went from 13/32 to 9/32 and 15/16
anyone for 79/183 ?

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Sorry!
typo changed to 5/16

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Ok folks,

I am the son who made the 13/32" socket to fit the zenith gav for my father.

I was unaware of ford barn until today when my father mentioned it with regard to the socket, and decided to take a look. As usual I saw the normal forum responses which end up clouding the issue of the original question or post.

I sent an email to my father regarding some of the questions raised in the thread which is as follows.

"Noticed guys were asking how the socket was made, basically wondering about quality and fit and such. Here is what you can tell them.

We start with a blank impact socket which has been annealed (not been hardened). We drill the socket, then broach the ends. Obviously the 13/32 end is broached using a special 6pt. corner relief broach that I had made. The 6 point design is the real key to the perfect fit. The other end is broached for 3/8 drive. We then harden the socket to approximately 41-51 Rockwell c. Obviously we just engraved yours with the size, but should we make any more we will probably stamp the size on them prior to heat treat making them look more professional.

As far as fit, you can attest to that, but the actual clearance we designed for was .004" (or 4 thousandths of an inch) overall, which is why it fits so well and should not mark or round the original part in any way due to perfect contact on the flats. The minimal clearance works due to the fact that the original part was made about 1-1.5 thousandths under 13/32". The socket will also fit the one you sent me that was all mangled up since the flats were still there but the corners were missing.

As you know there is about 6 months or more of R&D and trial and error in this thing, but at least it's perfect, lol.

If there are any further technical questions you can give them my email if need be."

Now I do not spend to much time on these forums so any further questions should probably be addressed to my father who started this thread, since I may not even look at this again. I am sure he will let me know of any further interest or concerns.

I am assuming he will provide pictures of the finished prototype at some point in time next week, but if not for whatever reason, I will be happy to do so myself if need be.

One last thing. I appreciate all of you enthusiasts who keep the history of these older vehicles alive. At 50 years of age, I do appreciate these older cars, but will admit that my focus is more along the lines of building racing motorcycles for my sons at this point. Hopefully at some point in time I will be able to retire and own a model A of my own.

Sorry dad, probably irritated a bunch of guys on here somehow, but I was just having trouble watching this thread go to he(double hockey sticks) in a handbasket.

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I'd buy one!!!

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This sounds like a quality tool and I'd also be interested in one.

Why not make a run large enough for the parts houses to sell them?

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I would be interested, too. Bill

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ive got that size in my old craftsman 1/4 "set. from a long time ago...60's remeber ,why ,what would it fit.....i was about 14 yrs old...glad i kept it:)

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after reading the post, i said to my self...theres one more guy supporting (our)model a ford hobby...cant have enough... p.s. ill buy one!!:cool:

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To answer your question Tom.

I have told my father what I think we can make them for either one off or in quantity.

I think he is trying to determine how much interest there is in order to determine what size run we could make, and in turn, once we know that we will know how much they would cost.

Obviously we can't make 100 and only sell 10, conversely, it wouldn't make sense to make 10, when there would be a market for 100.

I only made this socket to prove a point and provide my father with something that was unavailable for his birthday.

I had the tooling made in order to produce the socket, and I can make quite a few more with the same tooling. I personally, don't just want to make a bunch of these, only to be left with a bunch of these, lol.

Guess the real question would be. After everyone sees the pics, and understands the quality of the tool, how much would they actually, be worth? and can we make them in that price range?

With my research, I don't believe anyone out there has the ability or tooling to even make an honest to goodness 13/32" 6 point socket, or wrench for that matter. And as everyone would have to admit, a 12 point if available, will just round the corners and damage the original part.

Anyway, my 2 cents. I am sure if the interest is there, we can help all of those interested.

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There are quite few vendors of model A parts. If you were to wholesale them out and they only bought 5 from you you have 100 sold in a heartbeat.

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Another one here. thanks

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A Snap On 11mm deep well 3/8" socket fits the gav perfectly

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I'm in for two.

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I am keepinbg a list of those of you who are interested in these sockets.
With all respect to those of yoiu who use a 10 mm or an 11mm socket my experience has been that the 10mm is too small and the 11mm is too big. This socket that my son has made does not do any damage the housing. I will try to get some pics by wednesday of next week.

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I'd buy one....

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just about everything the suppliers have is a result of a mom-and-pop setup where a guy makes one thing. I am sure each of them would buy 10

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I would buy one as well, or two if the price comes in reasonably.
Thanks for your effort, it is something I needed just today. As someone else said, anyone providing help for this hobby should be helped and purchased from (If that is what is needed)

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Put me down as interested in one! :)

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I would like one too. Even thought I only have one Model A, I like using the correct tools.

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I would like one.

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I suspect that using an 11mm (.433") socket on the 13/32" (.40625") GAV is why so many are rounded off.

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There seems to be a market. I use a ground-down metric wrench, but would prefer the proper tool, so chalk up one more.

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When it became very obvious years ago that when rebuilding carburetors that in order to get the 13/32" adjustment needle housings off I would need a deep socket to do it. None to be found so I bought a Craftsman 10 mm socket and the proper size good file and carefully filed it down to a perfect fit which has worked for years and no damaged housings, it did not take to long to do this.

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I'm in as well, could use two of them.

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Update on were we stand with the sockets.

I am pleasantly surprised at the interest level, and it will definitely help with the cost.

Originally I acquired 2 blanks. I just made the second socket to prove the process. The second one turned out as well as the first and is a perfect fit on the good gav housing as well as the housing I was given with the corners rounded off.

On Tuesday my fathers car club will be critiquing the first prototype at there meeting. As long as they come back with great reviews and agree with our idea of a price point (which will obviously be one of a labor of love and not making money), we will set everything in motion. Hopefully they will post their opinions, and I am assuming one of the members will also be posting pictures at that point, or I will do so myself.

If the reviews are as I expect, I am planning to make a run of 50 parts and will order the blanks next week. It will take a week or two to fit the parts in around my normal shop production. We figure to keep the price as low as possible we will probably sell direct to all of you folks. We are planning to just use usps flat rate shipping since it's only 5 or 6 bucks, plus it's the same price if you want one or more. Once I have the parts ready we will contact everyone with a paypal link to purchase the items and ship them immediately.

As I said this is all contingent with respect to the reviews of the car club members on Tuesday, but I am sure they will vouch for the quality of this socket which is as good as or better than a top of the line socket from snap-on or anyone else for that matter.

Should anyone have any ideas or questions, please do not hesitate to post them here and I will answer them as soon as possible.

P.S. I obviously cannot keep the price reasonable using my shop labor to produce these parts, so I will be manufacturing them myself after hours when the equipment is available. Hence the reason I said this will be a labor of love, not one of making money.

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Being the tool junkie that I am, I would speak for one as well.

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Hoarsewhisperer,

In response to your post. You are correct, but unfortunately the .433 is exactly 11mm and 11mm sockets are manufactured at .441 across the flats. Far cry from .40625 in the machinist world.

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I just received a very good question from a member via my email. I will answer it here.

The question was does the socket have retention capability for the ball of a 3/8 ratchet.

The answer is yes.

What we do (like a professional impact socket) is drill a radial hole through the socket in the center of one of the 3/8 drive flats in order for the user to line up the ball on the ratchet or extension in one spot keeping all other flats fully intact for maximum surface contact with the ratchet or extension.

Thank you for the question, I am sure others were probably wondering the same thing.

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Definitely sounds like a quality tool that's useful. I'd like to get two.

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i will also buy and thanks for offering to do this...

one question are they lifetime guaranteed?:D

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I'll take one
and yes thank much for doing this

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I will take two...