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burlington crank Does anyone know of any distributor that still has Burlington counterbalanced cranks on the shelf or Scat the only one out there now?
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Re: burlington crank There very well may be one hidden out there that is available but most of us have used them up. Scat is pretty much the show now. Rich Fallucia would be the only possibility I could think of.
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Re: burlington crank There's always Crower or Moldex.
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Re: burlington crank Rich has 6 but won't sell outright.
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Re: burlington crank We have two left: and guess what they are for sale.
Let us know if you're interested. [email protected] |
Re: burlington crank Snyder's has them listed in the catalogue.
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Re: burlington crank Snyder's does not have any more Burlingtons, only Scat.
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There are quite a few running in vintage race engines. They will make a crank for any engine you can come up with. |
Re: burlington crank I also have a Moldex crank it is 1 of the best made cranks I have seen
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We are running a Crower in our flathead Cadillac powered Bonneville car. It is the same quality. |
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I guess with everything being CNC now, its not as big of a thing to whittle out a billet crank as it once was, although I imagine it still takes quite a few pictures of dead presidents to cover anything other than a standard run-of-the-mill SBC. I'll be the first to admit I can be narrow-minded about using modern technology on the old stuff...Thanks Pete for pointing out there are other options than those we hear about all the time....as long as you have the dust to cover it.:) |
Re: burlington crank Just in case anyone sees this post. Both cranks have been sold.
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Re: burlington crank Rich had a sign up at Hershey that he still had some, and he says that someone bought the rights to make and sell them, and Rich will soon have pistons taking modern rings, and modern design (like the chevy pistons but not needing special rods)
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As for the rights, yes we spoke about that earlier here and it is a guy from Texas however according to my source from someone I would say is 'in the know', at best it was going to be at least a year before they would be for sale, --if then. Rich is saying by the end of the year he is hoping to have that new piston ready to ship. There is a couple of issues they are working through on the wrist pin but he says it will be top-notch when it goes to market. I inspected it and am super excited to see it first-hand. |
Re: burlington crank He had a sign ---"I still have Burlington cranks" it didn't say that he was only selling with engine, but I didn't ask
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Re: burlington crank Ohh OK, I understand now. I'm pretty sure his booth was promoting his engine rebuilding services ...and not parts sales.
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Re: burlington crank What with Tod's block & Head, Bill Stipe's camshaft, Rich's Pistons & Rods, Burlington Crank (whenever they are made again), Dan's timing & Crank gears, Stainless valves, One piece guides, adjustable lifters, etc, etc . . .
Now if someone would just offer a complete long block ;) Then there's Rupert's water pump, Berg's radiator, Stipe's oil pump, Mike's oil filter, (and on, and on) ... Got just about everything covered. |
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Well not quite everything....how about Winfields crank balancer and and carbs and Williamsons 32 lb flywheel and Crower rods :cool: |
Re: burlington crank Rich told me he only sells the cranks with a rebuild. $500 more and he will add the crank.
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Re: burlington crank Anybody know why they stopped making the Burlington cranks? Not profitable? At $975, I would think every "A" engine rebuild would've had one standard. I was trying to buy one, then saw they were discontinued. Maybe they were too cheap!
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Re: burlington crank Good news! Burlington cranks are still active and in production ~ next available shipment due in March 2015.
Watch for updated posts in coming days. |
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The website still refers back to Chris' old info and such though. Are you going to do a press release as I have heard conflicting information regarding them. Two sources said the original company would not (be) make them any longer, ...and then I received a phone call last week that said same company, same machines, same everything was making them, --and 400 of them were in-transit right now. If they are in transit, 90 days seems like a long time to get them from China to Texas. Can you expound on that a little more?? |
Re: burlington crank I would like to know also. Hoping all of the info is announced soon. Rod
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Re: burlington crank Burlington are back in town??? Great news and just before Christmas!
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Re: burlington crank His first post here and nothing in his profile??
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Re: burlington crank Burlington crank shafts have been out of production for several months but will be available soon!
We anticipate cranks will be available in March 2015. Website is under RE-construction; in the meantime please email me at [email protected] Look forward to hearing from you! |
Re: burlington crank To elaborate on time frame of delivery ~ forging ordered takes 95 days for completion, 4-6 weeks ocean shipping to Texas. Cranks to be shipped over Christmas holidays. Upon arrival we will quality test each crank prior to distribution.
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Re: burlington crank Jallison15, Thank you for taking the time to update!
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Re: burlington crank I just bought a Scat last week. It's all about timing, I suppose.
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Re: burlington crank I am wondering about cost to the end user (us) and sales network
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Re: burlington crank I spoke with the "new" Burlington Crank people over the weekend. They purchased the molds and name from Chris Robinson and have had run manufactured. They are expecting delivery from China next month. They will have some other production stuff to do, boxing etc. before they are ready to ship. The target is March for shipments. At this time they don't know what their costs will be for a delivered product so can't quote a sale price. They plan on going through normal distribution for sales, along with direct selling. As I hear more I will pass it along. I am waiting to see what these look like and am excited to see what Brent's side by side evaluation is. I concur with his take on the SCAT after they showed it to me at SEMA.
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Re: burlington crank Another factor to consider in the SCAT vs Burlington battle is quality.
A monopoly is always bad news for consumers. Burlington's exit may help explain why SCAT crank prices are up nearly 50% since their release in 2011 and why they've dropped the ball on quality control, see: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages...tml?1418918286 At least SCAT was "man" enough to own up, take responsibility and make things right. Nevertheless, it would be a major headache to end up with a defective crank for a customer in Australia or Europe. If as a company you're going to boast about having your cranks machined in the USA then get it right, otherwise have them machined in China (the place the cranks are forged) and pass on the cost saving. I would suggest to Burlington to also look at making a Model T crank as there are many potential customers there. And of course don't cut corners on quality and quality control, but do offer great customer service such as replying to customer feedback; something else that SCAT seems to have a problem with. |
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"Dropped the ball on quality control"? REALLY??? :eek: I will talk with Brian McCullough as soon as they open this AM to find out the truth in that situation (whether there is even any validity to it) however folks need to also understand that Chris Robinson was not without Q/C issues either with his Burlington. Therefore lets not jump to conclusions nor make accusations in this. It also needs to be said how the new 'Burlington' could have also helped themselves tremendously if they would have been a little more 'open' with their wholesale customers to let us know what their plans were! I called several people (including Don Snyder) to find out what was going to happen, and no one seemed to know anything for certain! If what you are saying is even true, it would seem like SCAT is not the only one having a problem with communications!! As for getting it right in USA vs. China getting it right, ....does that one really need to get debated here?? :rolleyes: For those of us who are involved in motorsports will quickly tell you that SCAT has a superb reputation in the automotive aftermarket, ...and quite honestly, they do not need the Model-A or T business to survive. The only reason why they are even making crankshafts for the A & T is because they were approached by some top-quality engine builders wanting a better product. They did not come to the marketplace begging for customers. I will close by saying that I TOTALLY disagree that Burlington needs to get into the Model-T crank business. What is wrong with supporting the two that are already making T crankshafts? Part of the issue in this hobby is when you already have a couple suppliers of a good product, adding more manufacturers to split the small market does nothing more than drive the cost up or the quality away. It also makes investors for future products gunshy. I have seen this over & over where a vendor chooses to go off-shore to find a manufacturer that will make something cheaper (like Model-A brake drums) after someone else has done the R&D and the Marketing. All this has done in the past is make it where the present two suppliers are struggling to get a ROI. Like I said above, lets see when you the new crankshafts hit the market how they will price out and compare the quality before we start the 'bashing nonsense'. |
Re: burlington crank I will talk with Brian McCullough as soon as they open this AM to find out the truth in that situation (whether there is even any validity to it) however folks need to also understand that Chris Robinson was not without Q/C issues either with his Burlington. Therefore lets not jump to conclusions nor make accusations in this.
Yes I had one. Had to turn the flywheel on the crank to get it right. It did work out fine. Chris did the right thing and made it right for us. All the rest of his cranks were right on. |
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You wrote: "As for getting it right in USA vs. China getting it right, ....does that one really need to get debated here??" There's a debate about USA vs China??? If so, I didn't start it...go back and read my comments. SCAT makes a point of mentioning time after time they employ workers in the USA to machine their cranks...that's great, I commend them. By saying "Made in USA" though you're saying something more...your saying QUALITY and CUSTOMER SERVICE, that's my point. I alway prefer to buy "Made in USA" if a item is priced competitively because of that. Are you saying I'm 'bashing nonsense' by passing on information I have to forum members about an expensive and important Model A item? If so, perhaps your status as a dealer of these cranks is clouding your judgement. Also, note that I made a point of praising SCAT for looking after the Model T guy in question so you can hardly say my post was an anti-SCAT rant. With regards to Model T cranks...who's the second manufacturer, SCAT and ? Even if there is one, I don't agree with you that it's automatically bad news when new competitors enter a market, but in the specific case of T cranks you might be correct. It's certainly bad for consumers to only have one player. I welcome Burlington's return. |
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Just think $ signs when reading some remarks, and think reverse psychology when reading others to make sense of nonsence remarks, like: more competitors making a product, are bad for consumers and will raise prices :rolleyes: Credibility goes out the 'window', eh ? Thanks for your AND George's input :) |
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Thanks for posting, as I'm sure that many here are anxious to hear from you regarding product/cost/quality/availability ;) !! Email sent. |
Re: burlington crank Looking at the Scat website, I see they list two Model A crankshafts the second one with 'oil holes'. I'm confused I guess is this for a pressurized system?? Part # 7-A-4250-H
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