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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! My roadster has been all over the US - no problems with it, my .old 40 coupe or my present/new build. Once in and the legs are folded over, you’re done .....
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Or drill and tap the flange for a bolt. Screw in the bolt and then drill and cut it off.
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! that's slick too. there's very little info show how people deal with this.
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! There’s always more than one way to skin a cat!
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! I used the cotter pin, done in 4 mins. I crimped the springs end a bit so it couldn't come undone after passing through the cotter pin. thanks for both of those suggestions.
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! I love it when a plan comes together!!
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Just wanted to shout out a thank you to V8 Coopman and everyone else for figuring this out. I followed the directions and with minimum fab skills managed to put it togeather. I used the factory plate on the bottom of the crossmember box as reference. And had various thickness of plates made up to support the trans and position the wishbone as close to the factory position as possible.
Also the adapter from Kato kings is top notch, beautiful work. First time I have ever did this type of project, but followed it thru and turned out great, can’t wait to drive it one day. |
Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! Hello James Y.....And welcome to the FordBarn. Your chassis looks fabulous. I must tell ya that YOU are (surprisingly) the first person that has apparently followed-through with this conversion that we know of. Congratulations are in order from Heard and myself. Really curious as to exactly what year and body this is that you're working on. And what part of the world are you in? Would it be possible to get a couple more pictures of your finished installation, similar to the shots below? Thanks for reporting-in, and please keep us up to date. Anything else that I can maybe help you with, just hollar. Dick D
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...9&d=1475691545 https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...2&d=1475694773 https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...6&d=1475624855 |
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You deserve a lot of credit on a number of levels. Now that while I don't get in to the customizing end of these old cars, I DO appreciate those that do when they actually take their time and "do it right". It's obvious that you sir are one of those few. I have watched this transmission adaptation since it's beginning and am amazed at the guys that thought this out and followed it through to a finished product. So to all of you, yep, you too James, I say CONGRATULATIONS on a job well done! |
Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! James Y.....I've looked at your pictures more closely trying to soak-in the details of your ingenuity and workmanship. Off the batt, your workmanship seems beyond reproach...NICE looking chassis Sir! Secondly, it appears you're working on a '37-'41 pick-up because of the lack of body mounts toward the rear of the side rails, and additionally the rear radius rods appear to be '37-'41s. The rear anti-roll bar is a nice addition also. But what REALLY caught my eye is the shiny aluminum piece at the center of the brake backing plate. Do I detect that those are adapters converting the rear end to the later, slide-in Ford axles? If so, I LIKE that feature ALOT...smart, smart move! Details? I sure would like to hear (and see) more about your chassis! Dick D
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Thank you for the compliments, I am in Edmonton, Alberta in the frozen north, will send pics when I get back, out of town for a couple of weeks. The rear end is from Hot Rod Works, went down to their shop and picked it up in the fall of 18. It is 40 p/u bought off a farm in southern Saskatchewan, original to the family.
The theme of the truck is kinda a Hot Rod military truck, based on a British 8 cwt WOC1, which stood for War Office C1, as i understand it, when Britain was going to War there was such a shortage of trucks Ford of England contracted Ford either USA or Canada (not sure which) to supply chassis, running gear and sheet metal as far as the firewall. The contract was for 2000 trucks, as the war was just starting and the BEF forces (British Expeditionary Force) after evacuating from Dunkirk lost almost all their vehicles, of the 2000 made, only 1survived, it is in England. I am not doing the soft top original version, i will be using a cab similar to the Dodge in the other pic. I was planning to start a build thread soon. |
Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! Well, it's good to hear from ya, James. Can't wait 'til ya get back with some details and pictures. DD
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! Well done , nice machine machine work . Well worth the effort.
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! Fantastic very well done. A credit to all that have a piece of this puzzle. Going to be an awesome finished truck.
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I put a T5. world class (Mustang). trans behind a 8BA. I used a 2008 7" Ford Ranger rearend and an open driveshaft, the diff comes with a 3.73 ratio,
The only people making an adaptor for this is Modern Driveline, it is a bolt-up thing with using a cast-iron ring that comes on flathead trucks, a 10" clutch and the stock clutch throwout bearing and a slave cylinder. The bottom plate and a GM motor mount make it an easy fit in a 33-34 ford pickuptruck chassis.........Pics |
Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! If that is a mustang T5 then it was converted to the S10 tailshaft. :) Looks good, I use the hogshead with an adaptor plate. What transmission gears are you running?
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! Your right, it has a GM S10 tail shaft housing on it, the Trans is out of a 97 mustang V8 with .078 overdrive ratio. With my 3.73 rear end I should be at 1700RPM. at 65 MPH! Want to keep the revs down on my flathead.
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! What is a hogshead? and did you make your own plate? That adaptor was expensive at $400.....
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! Hogshead is the name given to the removable bellhousing on the heavy duty truck transmissions. (Can't remember the years). They make useful adaptors.
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The brown piece is a hogshead. Below that is a hogshead with adapter plate like JSeery spoke of adapting a T5Z to a flathead. DD https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...2&d=1413823833 https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...6&d=1413824471 xxxxxxx |
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I have several hogsheads so there are different ones in different photos. Here are some photos of the adaptor plate. I have it setup so the front bearing retainer of the T5(z) slides inside the original Ford transmission front retainer. That way the Ford retainer lines up with the hogshead and also centers the T5(z) retainer.
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If anyone is interested the "hogshead" name comes from the shape of the rear surface of the bellhousing.
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! Gentlemen - This is a thread about T-5's and torque-tubes. If you want to discuss generic T-5 info, I suggest you start another thread. I believe that this subject is important enough to be kept "clean".
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! It's v8coopmans thread! LOL. He did an outstanding job on his conversion and it has recieved less recognition than it deserves IMO. Keeping the thread current is a plus, also IMO.
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! Yes. Great thread!
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! so what is the update with this project?
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This particular project in Heard's '35 pick-up is just now receiving a brand new, fresh 8BA flathead, along with other finishing details wrapping-up a total re-do on an original, stock pick-up. If you're looking for an actual, running, operating and proven Jeep T5 W/Torque Tube project like this one, look no farther than Cory Taulbert's '32 5-window project fairly well detailed in the link below, Post #76. Forget the fact that Cory's powerplant is a little Chevy, as it could just as easily have been a flathead....note Cory's use of the same adapter that Heard used. Cory took his car on a 3,000 plus mile shakedown cruise with nothing but high marks for the performance he achieved. Last I heard, he had well over 6K miles on the Jeep/torque tube combo. Click the link, post #76! DD https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...=206955&page=4 |
Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! This is exactly what I was hoping to find , thankyou !!!!
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! Can an S10 4x4 work as well as a Jeep?.
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! This is a similar method I used to install the T-5 in the roadster, The reason was the ability to go from early 59 blocks to 8BA style blocks and the hogs head makes this an easy to do this as the cluch linkeg and other parts remain the same, Also I use the Ford 8BA style water pumps with narrow belts and common pulleys so I only have to run one belt and an 8BA style distribtor on both engines. My biggest problen is te lack of money, so we do allot of scronging , I;ve just loooked at the cost of speed equipment like intakes and heads. I have a rare set id 49 Offy heads with the angled thermostat housongs. I even have the special housings. Maby I couls trad them for a new truck
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We don't need no charming H.A.M.B. for this info. We've got it covered right here....INFO and PICS! 1oldtimer …..If you're not familiar with the project that fellow 'Barner Heard and myself did to marry a T5 to a Ford torque tube some time back, click on this link below for the comprehensive thread on how we developed and accomplished such an adaptation. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...T5+TORQUE+TUBE To answer your question about using the S-10 4X4 rear housing and main shaft instead of the Jeep counterparts.....the S-10 takes-up a whole lot more real estate. I'll try, using pictures below, to illustrate some of the important details to consider IF using the LONGER S-10 set-up. ALL T5 main cases are 9-1/4" long, measured between front and rear faces. Using the JEEP rear housing allows you to assemble the absolute shortest length T5 possible using ALL Borg-Warner factory parts. In fact, we believe that this concoction we've come-up with is actually a transmission that Borg-Warner never intended to be. Most-importantly, every inch of "short" that you can gain in an old Ford chassis is almost priceless when it comes to that transmission/X-member area. The JEEP extension housing is exactly 6" from it's front to it's rear face. I've measured the S-10 extension housings, and the exact measurement escapes me, but going by the pictures below, it seems like it's about 10-1/2" front to rear. The S-10 housing is LONGER than the T5 MAIN case itself. The first picture below shows a mock-up of our T5 with Jeep rear extension housing sitting behind an 8BA Ford flathead in a 1935 Ford chassis. Note how wide the rear flange is on the rear side of the housing, and how relatively little of the Ford "X" member lip needed to be trimmed to fit. Now try to picture the S-10 housing at 4-1/2" FARTHER back in the chassis (at about the 3-3/4" mark on tape), and how little of the "X" frame flanging would be left in tact. In addition, the majority of the Ford's structural center box section would have to be gutted for fitting. Not only would this compromise strength and integrity, but it would make mounting the stock Ford front WISHBONE ball very difficult, at best. The Jeep parts (only the '82-'86 CJ extension housing, the accompanying main shaft, plus the SMALLER Jeep 23-spline, 26-tooth O/D gear) are a little difficult to round-up, but they're out there. ALL of these parts combine with and bolt to a commonly-found '83-'87 Camaro NWC T5 (or any T5 case) like we used, which has that sweet, close ratio 2.95 1st gear set. You couldn't MAKE me use the S-10 parts, although they MAY be a little easier to round-up. Any questions.....please ask away! DD Short (6" long) Jeep housing on rear of Camaro T5 transmission gear case. The 6" case stops at the 8-1/4" mark on the tape. The rest is aluminum adapter and '36 Ford torque-tube-bell clam shell adapter. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...1&d=1477858680 T5 main case with S-10 housing below....rear housing (left side) is longer than the T5 main case. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...2&d=1591508995 S-10 Bare Housing. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/pictu...ictureid=34977 OUR Little Short JEEP T5 Complete https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/pictu...ictureid=34693 And With Torque Tube and U-Joint Hook-Up https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/pictu...ictureid=34695 Finally, the Little Short 6" JEEP Bare Extension Housing. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/pictu...ictureid=34976 In this Last Picture, you can see how much of the Center Box Section we were able to retain, allowing easy and substantial Wishbone retention. The S-10 Rear Housing would have made most of what you see MUCH more involved. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...1&d=1473972814 Don't forget to click the link toward the beginning of this post to see our complete project with many more pictures. OR, just click on the " T5 W/TORQUE TUBE " below, left! DD ……….. |
Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! Gotcha, now that I see them together the S10 might as well be a full size T5. It might be ok in a hot rod application with a very open center section.
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! V8coopman, the HAMB reference was to using the S10 4X4 unit if you had a mind to. I wouldn't and didn't thing you would because of the increased modification required to the frame etc. BUT, if you wanted to go that way, there are several threads on the HAMB covering it.
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Re: FINALLY…T5 WITH Torque Tube in a ‘35-’40 Ford...The WHOLE STORY! What Speedo cable did you use to connect the T5 to the Ford Speedometer. Do you know the tread size on each end of the speedo cable?
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Do you have a project about ready to go? If so, any details, feedback, or pictures? DD |
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