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Russell in Tulsa 02-11-2015 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg (Post 1032052)
But, are they 6 point, and are they open enough for the GAV to fit deep enough for the hex to engage the socket?

Tom, look at post #43.
Russell

haag1332 02-11-2015 06:08 PM

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back when i started looking into this for my father, I bought a cheap set that said it had a 13/32 in it. Turned out it wasn't even actually in the set when I opened it, but listed it on the front packaging of the box.

Bill

haag1332 02-11-2015 06:18 PM

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Tom was talking about the walmart set

jmeckel 02-11-2015 08:14 PM

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I am in.

Brentwood Bob 02-11-2015 08:17 PM

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I am confirming that I still want 2.
Bob

tbirdtbird 02-11-2015 08:53 PM

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Haha,
"Turned out it wasn't even actually in the set when I opened it, but listed it on the front packaging of the box."
there is no way in blazes that a commercially mfg 6 pt 13/32 deep socket is actually being made. That is a zebra. There would be absolutely NO application for it in today's world. You would be better off trying to market a commercially made 7-pt deep 77/192 socket!!!!

haag1332 02-11-2015 09:00 PM

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Hey Tbird, I'll bet you 500 dollars I could make that 7 point 77/192 socket if you really want one, lmao. Gonna need the 500 in advance though to buy the special tooling lol

Bill

haag1332 02-11-2015 09:02 PM

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Oh, and tbird, just so you know, 77/192 actually works out to 10mm

Y-Blockhead 02-11-2015 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jwilli (Post 1032026)
I was at Walmart today.

Just admitting you were in Walmart makes me bewildered.:eek::eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVrw...Q&spfreload=10

Jwilli 02-12-2015 10:32 AM

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Y-Blockhead, good link. I think I saw some of those people there.

jax55 02-12-2015 01:32 PM

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I am still in for two of these.

MikeK 02-12-2015 01:43 PM

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Still in for Two!

tbirdtbird 02-12-2015 05:08 PM

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1332, haha i am sure you could make that socket! And I just pulled 77/192out of thin air!
But the burning question is, on a 7-pt socket, you measure from where to where? haha LOL
Not horribly different than a 5-pt hydrant wrench ?

haag1332 02-12-2015 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tbirdtbird (Post 1032613)
1332, haha i am sure you could make that socket! And I just pulled 77/192out of thin air!
But the burning question is, on a 7-pt socket, you measure from where to where? haha LOL
Not horribly different than a 5-pt hydrant wrench ?

It would be the diameter tangent to the flats.

Bill

MikeK 02-12-2015 11:05 PM

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Here's a five sided socket and some penta-bolts:
http://www.brycefastener.com/user-fi...duct-image.jpg
For the guy that has everything in his tool box!

haag1332 02-12-2015 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeK (Post 1032818)
Here's a five sided socket and some penta-bolts:
http://www.brycefastener.com/user-fi...duct-image.jpg
For the guy that has everything in his tool box!

Somehow I knew someone was going to try and elaborate on this odd number sided bolt thing, lol.

I could bore everyone with the details of why odd number facets have been used on fasteners and spline shafts, and everything else, but it would be boring, lol.

Quite simply put though, lol. Everything round that rotates has a natural harmonic, when the natural harmonic matches some multiple of the revolutions in 360 degrees, you will experience a synchronous, or subsynchronous vibration. So naturally everyone has tried to design around this. Since a circle still always has 360 degrees, people have tried to design odd number fasteners used in line with the rotating component to offset synchronous vibration..........never mind, gonna stop here before I write a book. But it's kinda like when your car shakes at only 35, and 60 or whatever. Things have been balanced, but unfortunately there will always be some sort of distortion or imbalance presented at some components natural harmonic. Usually these vibrations will be directly attributed to the diameter of a specific component..... ok gonna stop.

haag1332 02-12-2015 11:51 PM

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Just food for thought though. Why are there 3 cylinder diesels and 5 cylinder chevrolet gasoline engines? The ultimate goal of overcoming natural harmonics. The thought is if you break up the 360 degrees unevenly, there will be no natural harmonic, but it doesn't work. I have got to stop. I am sorry I even mentioned any of this stuff on this thread. My apologies.

haag1332 02-13-2015 12:52 AM

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Back to the point of this whole thing. At this point, we have confirmation of at least 50 sockets, so that helps immensely with this project.

I will be placing orders for the blanks and tooling tomorrow/Friday. So the project is a go. Just to say it again, it will probably take about 3 weeks or a bit more to fit this run of 100 sockets into my shop schedule. When I eventually sell the 100, it will cover the cost, which is a risk myself, my father, and apparently someone else is willing to take/absorb to see this through, since we all believe there is enough interest to support it eventually.

I will keep everyone up to date via this thread on a regular basis so you know where we stand with this project. All who have expressed/re-expressed interest will be notified, prior to the general public, or dealers, or anything else when the sockets are ready. In essence, if you have requested one or more, you will get them before any new interests are fulfilled.

I really do appreciate the support of everyone with this undertaking, and the kind words expressed by numerous people during pm's and emails and such. And I do feel privileged to be able to help with this need.

Thank you all,

Bill

Y-Blockhead 02-13-2015 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by haag1332 (Post 1032830)
... But it's kinda like when your car shakes at only 35, and 60 or whatever. Things have been balanced, but unfortunately there will always be some sort of distortion or imbalance presented at some components natural harmonic. Usually these vibrations will be directly attributed to the diameter of a specific component..... .

Reminds me back when I worked at Chevron Refinery. When starting a centrifugal pump it was important to get it up to full speed so to pass through "Critical Speed" (the RPM that the natural harmonics occurred) quickly.

haag1332 02-13-2015 01:45 AM

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You are correct blockhead. Just like when they roll out a steam turbine generator in a power plant and such, slow till you get lube oil and such for 8-24 hours, when up to temp and pressure, then 3600 rpm to get past the criticals. Little more complex and such, but same kinda thing.

Royce P 02-13-2015 07:41 AM

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I will take one.

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Originally Posted by haag1332 (Post 1031697)
Ok Folks, as far as I understand, the car club members reviewed the socket, and according to what I have been told, they all liked/loved it.

Hopefully tomorrow they will be providing their unbiased reviews on the 13/32" socket and what they really thought for all of you to read for your own edification.

It appears we can account for over 50 pieces at this point, so my plan will be to manufacture 100 in the first run. Subsequently in order to do this in a reasonable time frame I will be purchasing some different tooling. Having accounted for all the cost, and again, doing this for a labor of love and not making money, I am counting on getting my cost back with this run of 100 once they all sell. The different tooling will then allow for smaller runs after the first 100 at the same cost to the end user, if demand is there for whatever reason.

Again, hopefully everyone understands what it actually takes to produce this top quality socket without cutting any corners, and hopefully the club members who have put their hands on this socket will confirm this for you on this thread.

So here we go. The pricing we have decided on for the socket is $24.00 US Dollars plus shipping. Flat rate shipping through usps is approximately $6.00. And apparently you can order more than one, and it will still only be $6.00 for the shipping.

I am not asking anyone to pay anything now. It will take approximately 3 weeks to complete the run of 100 due to my current shop load, and schedule, as well as acquiring the blanks and tooling. Once they are complete, we will notify everyone individually who has expressed interest, as well as post it on this thread.

In the mean time, I realize some may not want to pay this much, which is fine. But would all of you who expressed interest, please reaffirm your interest at this point via this thread, private message, or email. I am assuming most will still be interested, but I don't wish to purchase tooling and such, and then end up in the hole on this project. I am also planning to pass this information along to each individual who expressed interest via private message or email as well.

I am not planning on purchasing the blanks or tooling till the end of the week just to make sure the interest is still there at this point. And it will take about a week maybe a little more to get the blanks.

Once the first run of 100 is complete, we will notify everyone who previously expressed or has re-expressed interest with regard to how to purchase. At this point purchasing will probably be via credit card through paypal unless other arrangements are made on an as need basis.

Bill Haag, Jr.

P.S. Thank you all for your interest in this project, I feel honored to be able to help with this apparent need.


RW1930A 02-13-2015 09:25 AM

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Nice work. I'll also take 2.

Regards...Richard

tbirdtbird 02-13-2015 10:13 AM

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1332,
I for one enjoy soaking up as much technical info as possible. So feel free to expound on vibration, harmonics, etc, anything engine related. You obviously have good training and a good background in this stuff. Keep it coming!

For example, why are harmonic balancers not used on 4-cyl engines, even now, but always on 6-cyl and above. Seems the 4-bangers could benefit....

haag1332 02-13-2015 02:02 PM

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I will try and explain the harmonic balancer issue in a pm to you later this evening tbird. They really are not what everyone thinks they are.

Rod-MI 02-13-2015 02:58 PM

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I will purchase one

haag1332 02-13-2015 06:11 PM

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Here are some pics of the 1st prototype socket from one of the car club members who critiqued it earlier this week. I believe he is planning to add his comments on it's performance at some point on here.

Bill

http://jimmie.smugmug.com/Bills-carb...%20%2714-M.jpg

http://jimmie.smugmug.com/Bills-carb...%20%2714-M.jpg

http://jimmie.smugmug.com/Bills-carb...%20%2714-M.jpg

http://jimmie.smugmug.com/Bills-carb...%20%2714-M.jpg

http://jimmie.smugmug.com/Bills-carb...%20%2714-M.jpg

Jim.Morris2831 02-13-2015 06:31 PM

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Hi Gang, I took the photos above that Haag1332 has posted. The socket is well made, fits nice and tight to the brass nut of the GAV, and I've ordered one. I have 3 A's, owned one since 1978ish, was a MAFCA Board member, am President of my local A Club, and like a good beer and a laugh but not when I strip a nut or bolt. Get this item while it's hot as long as Bill has the time and interest. Jim Morris

Pinstripe 02-13-2015 06:43 PM

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Put me down for one. Thanks much Tom

haag1332 02-13-2015 07:04 PM

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I have had a couple of people now express interest and then contact me regarding the pricing. If you are interested, but haven't followed this enough to know the pricing, please read back to post #65 where I tried to explain everything, then let me know if you are still interested.

Thank you to all of you who knew the pricing and have reafirrmed your interest. I believe I have notified all of you who reafirrmed via pm or email.

Bill

Mitch//pa 02-13-2015 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by haag1332 (Post 1033229)
I have had a couple of people now express interest and then contact me regarding the pricing. If you are interested, but haven't followed this enough to know the pricing, please read back to post #65 where I tried to explain everything, then let me know if you are still interested.

Thank you to all of you who knew the pricing and have reafirrmed your interest. I believe I have notified all of you who reafirrmed via pm or email.

Bill

i never received a pm or email:(:rolleyes:

BudP 02-13-2015 07:35 PM

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confirming that I am still in for one. no email or pm received yet.

haag1332 02-13-2015 07:36 PM

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Sorry mitch, just sent you the pm again, but had you toward the top of the list, actually 5th, lol.

haag1332 02-13-2015 07:40 PM

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Had u on the list as well Bud, just resent you a pm

Mitch//pa 02-13-2015 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by haag1332 (Post 1033248)
Sorry mitch, just sent you the pm again, but had you toward the top of the list, actually 5th, lol.

thanks Bill i just got it :D

cant wait to buy 4 of them

BudP 02-13-2015 07:43 PM

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Got it! Thanks, Bill.

CarlG 02-13-2015 08:53 PM

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No PM here either. I want 3 of them.

haag1332 02-13-2015 09:15 PM

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Just resent pm carl, and updated your quantity. Sorry for the confusion, but we had you as 3rd on the list for 2. Again, did update quantity.

Bill

haag1332 02-13-2015 09:20 PM

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Just noticed on here that you have to wait at least 30 seconds before sending another pm. Might explain a couple of mishaps (and probably me not paying attention). Pretty sure though we have everyone on the list. If you didn't receive confirmation from me, please do not hesitate to check in with me.

Bill

Fred 02-13-2015 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by haag1332 (Post 1033295)
Just noticed on here that you have to wait at least 30 seconds before sending another pm. Might explain a couple of mishaps (and probably me not paying attention). Pretty sure though we have everyone on the list. If you didn't receive confirmation from me, please do not hesitate to check in with me.

Bill

Still want Two..

haag1332 02-13-2015 09:29 PM

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Just put you on the list for 2 Fred, will pm you as well.

Bill


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