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Old 08-06-2010, 10:23 AM   #1
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Default Marvelous Mystery Oil?

Some have reported adding to gas.
What is it suppose to do? And....how much in 10 gal. tank?
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Old 08-06-2010, 10:30 AM   #2
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It lubricates the valve train better than just regular old engine oil will. it is suppose to make your valves last longer in the long run. Ive never heard of someone actually say a set amount to put in per gas fill up. But if i were to use it every time i filled up i would say roughly 6-8 fl oz. Its not to much, but its enough to lubricate.
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The container has recommendations for how much to add to the fuel tank ( believe it's on the order of 2 oz to 10 gallons Gasoline ).

Folks with Model L Gravely tractors swear by to prevent the exhaust valve from sticking open...

Never heard of it doing any harm.

I use it in my old iron; have never sprung for the "Marvel Inverse Oiler" ( or Ampco Cylidner Lubricator )... just add to fuel.
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Old 08-06-2010, 11:13 AM   #4
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It's a reasonable solution to the increase in alcohol in today's fuel. Prevents sticking valves. I ran an ampco oiler on one of my cars and enjoyed the dismay observers had when viewing the gadget under the hood. I would call it my "super sauce."
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Old 08-06-2010, 11:26 AM   #6
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I believe the can says 4 oz to 10 gallons, which is what I do regularly.
Its like the glousamine I take for my arthritis.
You don't know if it works but everyone swears by it, and no one says its bad.
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4 oz. to 10 gallons gasoline, it is a top cylinder lubricant.
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Old 08-06-2010, 11:33 AM   #8
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How big of a problem is sticking valves? I have 3 model A's. They are sometimes driven frequently and sometimes set for months. I have never had a valve stick just using 87 octane pump gas mostly with alcohol.
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Oil also keeps things newer longer and has unstuck my valves when the engine was rebuilt.
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I never used MMO or had a stuck valve in a flathead especially a rebuilt one until two years ago, the ethanol in the fuel must be the reason it is becoming more common now. Probably only had a couple hundred miles on 59AB engine and it ran fine in the morning going to local car show.After sitting all day with the hood up in about 90 degree weather it started and ran terrible driving home,missing and backfiring like the timing somehow was off. Remembered reading about this on the old Ford Barn and next morning tried the MMO down both sides of the carb with engine idling,took it down road and it cleared up and ran smooth after about a 1/2 mile. I put the prescribed 4 oz in 10 gallons every fillup now,I am a believer. Also I have heard that 10% ethanol is enough alcohol to contribute to tank or fuel line rust and in my mind the oil may help against this.
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I've heard about two issues with alcohol-blended fuels: one has to due with increased tendencies to turn to "varnish", the other is corrosion due to the water content of the alcohol...
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I ALWAYS add 4 oz to every fill up
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Old 08-06-2010, 02:06 PM   #13
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It lubricates the valve train better than just regular old engine oil will. it is suppose to make your valves last longer in the long run. Ive never heard of someone actually say a set amount to put in per gas fill up. But if i were to use it every time i filled up i would say roughly 6-8 fl oz. Its not to much, but its enough to lubricate.
check your plugs to make sure are not flowing.Itwill happen.
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OK, some one explain to me how it would lube the exhaust valves?? I'm not trying to be funny or step on someones toes, I've heard this all before and was just wondering how does the unburned oil in the fuel mixture get to the exhaust valves and do them any good?
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I have found that 4 oz of MMO in a tank when I'm traveling in hot country or high altitudes helps eliminate the sputters and stutters. I don't know why.
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The valves would stick and than make a pop sound, I started useing mmo and problem went away.
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Do a Google and there are Marvel Mystery Oil discussions on every kind of car forum you can imagine. Seems to be light weight oil, benzene, naptha,etc. Not really a mystery. here's a ink to the MSDS information with ingredients. Must be the wintergreen odor that makes it work.

http://www.turtlewax.com/res/msds/MM010-4.pdf
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How big of a problem is sticking valves? I have 3 model A's. They are sometimes driven frequently and sometimes set for months. I have never had a valve stick just using 87 octane pump gas mostly with alcohol.
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I think sticky valves can be more of a problem in fresh engines, than in high mileage engines. Tighter tolerances seem to be aggravated by the higher alcohol content fuels. We see the problem fairly frequently in the V8's. Much discussion on this issue on their forum.
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I think sticky valves can be more of a problem in fresh engines, than in high mileage engines. Tighter tolerances seem to be aggravated by the higher alcohol content fuels. We see the problem fairly frequently in the V8's. Much discussion on this issue on their forum.
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In all the discussion that you've encountered on this subject, have you heard any involving sticking valve...when stainless steel valves are used in an engine?
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OK, some one explain to me how it would lube the exhaust valves?? I'm not trying to be funny or step on someones toes, I've heard this all before and was just wondering how does the unburned oil in the fuel mixture get to the exhaust valves and do them any good?
The exhaust travels past the valve stem on it's way out to the muffler. The oil coats the valve stem.
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yea, i put in my '47 willys 134L jeep motor. replacing one quart oil for that, just to try it out. still running. i checked the valves and thought to try it out before replacing them. one day. also put in fuel stabilizer for when leaving it to go outta town.
not running any zink or popular suggestions for additives yet.
i've not tried it in an A motor but satisfied with it in the willys.
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You really don't need MMO as it only turns into unburned hydrocarbon emissions and soon develops into a varnish above the first [compression] ring of each piston. Why carbon up the churn any more than you need to by burning gasoline?

I do wonder if MMO 'seals' in the compression a bit. Like my weed string trimmer two cycle likes 40:1 and my chain saw likes 50;1 and the English made Saegull outboards like 10:1 oil to gas.


Just like a two cycle engine [O/B] not all the oil burns away and the majority comes out as blue smoke and an oil shine on the water on the way out of the engine after lubricating and cooling the churn's innards.

So why do exhaust valve sometimes stick open? Maybe because the are carboned up? From what? Burned oil? Burned oil like MMO? So are we exacerbating the problem by adding stuff that does not burn away nor add any additional hp? Just a thought.

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You really don't need MMO as it only turns into unburned hydrocarbon emissions and soon develops into a varnish above the first [compression] ring of each piston. Why carbon up the churn any more than you need to by burning gasoline?. . . So are we exacerbating the problem by adding stuff that does not burn away nor add any additional hp? Just a thought.

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What makes you think MMO is comprised of the same long straight chain hydrocarbons that oxygen link into what is called varnish in an infernal combustion engine? MMO contains a mix of ring structures that are excellent high temperature solvents for engine varnish. That's why it UNsticks things. It also contains esters that are excellent synthetic lubes at high temps. I would agree with you if you were talking about mixing straight oil with the gas.
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OK MikeK; you win.

But why do we need MMO? Wouldn't perfect combustion be a combustion that left nothing behind? So for MMO to UNstick things than MMO needs to be left behind after combustion leading to 'things' being gummed up with unburned [whatever I called it. That's not important] stuff?

And wouldn't MMO, to leave something behind, to lube something, need to be un burned? And isn't unburned anything gunk? And doesn't gunk turn into carbon when heated enough? And doesn't the gunk generally stop at the first ring? And any gunk not removed possibly leading to sticking? Requiring more MMO to UNgunk things?

Oh forgive me...I was just funnin with you.

Better question is why has WD-40 now become inflammable? And would that be WD-41? Being yet another variant of the formula that displaced water on the electrics used on the Army's Red Stone Missile Project in the 50's? And why has Brake Clean now become inflammable as well? Will it work as well?

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47 dodge 6 cyl 1 ton truck Dually ,many miles hualin wood or what ever,had " a frame"made of 2 1/2" pipe on it at one time I guess used for water well work at one time,I got it from a guy that lived close to a lake ,the truck was covered with water for a few days after extensive rain and the lake got up ,when I got it I drained the gear boxes ,engine oil ,gasoline tank ect. all contained vast quanities of water,engine was froze up,removed spark plugs filed cyl.with mixture of diesel and marvel mystery oil(bout 50 /50)let it set about 3 days ,removed dust cover from transmission and used a ring gear tool got the crank shaft to move slightly continued to work it back and forth til it made a round ,remover starter and got it freed up ( a little rust on the shaft)put starter back on ,hooked up a fresh battery and spun her over blew lot of the crud out of the cylinders. put gas directly in cylinders and let set,cleaned out carb.replaced fuel pump,cleaned gasoline tank added fresh gas,filled gear boxes with proper oil,cleaned distributor,turned motor over a few times and then installed new sparkplugs she started and ran and I drove it around with out any Brakes.I think that would be a good testimony for the mmo,but I'm just lucky. Just ramblin on here .
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I add 4 oz to 10 gallons also. SEEMS to run quieter.
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I would just add that TOO much MMO ( or other oil in the fuel ) will turn to ash & carbon, and gunk and develop undesireable deposits, as well as un-necessary blue smoke.

As for sticking valves in the previously mentioned Gravely tractors ( the ones with the Gravely engines), this was a chronic headache with the per-1958 engines, and had to do with steel valve guides and inadequate lubrication.
In 1958 ( or so) Gravely revised the lubrication system on the engine, and replaced the spring-loaded valve-shields with a cast box with a little cover for adjustment, and oil-passages to the crankcase, and switched to bronze valve guides.
The exhaust valves tended to stick less after this revision.

My experience with the Gravely was that the pre-'58 machines would tend for the exhaust valve to stick open while running at high-speeds, during heavy use, after the machine had been running for a hour or so. Made it tough for me to get my grass-cutting jobs done in a timely fashion when I was in high-school.

With the post-'58 machines the if the e-valve stuck open, it was usually after sitting overnight...

And this was back in the days of leaded-gasoline, by the way... so much for the theory of lead keeping the valves lubricated...

At any rate, I like MMO... "Honestly so..." since, 1907 ?
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Hello all. I work on a U.O.P.fluid catalytic cracking Unit. We make what is called a cat gasoline. unleaded with a octane of 93. There are other units that produce higher octane.Other products are blended to bring down the Octane.Such as Naphtha, propane,butane other light or heaver products,depending on the time of the year(hot -cold) Down stream of us is the Gasoline hydro treating unit known as G.H.T unit this removes The sulfur
from the Gasoline.(GOVERNMENT REGULATION) Also makes it dry.Then the alcohol is added. yes a lubricant will help all engines.
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Better question is why has WD-40 now become inflammable? And would that be WD-41? Being yet another variant of the formula that displaced water on the electrics used on the Army's Red Stone Missile Project in the 50's? And why has Brake Clean now become inflammable as well?
I believe the reason WD40 has become inflammable is that they have replace the propane/butane used as a propellant with carbon dioxide. I guessing that the folks at Brake Clean may have made the switch to Propane from a Freon based propellant.

While WD40 isn't flammable it IS combustible.
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Just so nobody gets confused, misreads a label, and gets hurt.....inflammable and flammable mean the same thing....one of those annoying quirks of the english language. http://www.write101.com/W.Tips215.htm I think you guys might mean unflammable?
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I agree with most of what I have read here on MMO. I use it in the gas for both my Model A and my '41 flat head V-8 Cadillac. They both seem to thrive on the prescribed dosage in their fill up.

Who has been using it in their oil changes? What have the results been? I have been hesitant to cut back on the amount of oil and replacing it with the MMO.

Any yes or no on adding it to oil?
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wouldnt a fuel system cleaner like lucas deep clean which is designed to lubricate and eliminate carbon deposits ,has no kerosine or diesel componants, work just as well?..i dont know what say you?
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I am a longtime user of MMO; I add it to gas fill ups - around 4 oz to 10 gallons gas.

Have done so ever since it unstuck one or more valves in my '41 Cadillac, which had been little used for years. It was a car in 1981 with 26,500 on it. I used the MMO in its gas and in crankcase.

To answer the question above, I always add 1 Qt MMO to the '41 Cad oil change, to replace 1 Qt of motor oil. Also use 1 Qt in oil change for '69 Cad. Ditto in other cars I have had.

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I believe the reason WD40 has become inflammable is that they have replace the propane/butane used as a propellant with carbon dioxide. I guessing that the folks at Brake Clean may have made the switch to Propane from a Freon based propellant.

While WD40 isn't flammable it IS combustible.
I believe it has always been so, it has been used for years to check fuel starvation problems on 2 stroke motors.
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Just so nobody gets confused, misreads a label, and gets hurt.....inflammable and flammable mean the same thing....one of those annoying quirks of the english language. http://www.write101.com/W.Tips215.htm I think you guys might mean unflammable?

Good Point! I always get that stuff confused a bit.
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OK you win.

But why do we need MMO? Wouldn't perfect combustion be a combustion that left nothing behind? So for MMO to UNstick things than MMO needs to be left behind after combustion leading to 'things' being gummed up with unburned [whatever I called it. That's not important] stuff?

And wouldn't MMO, to leave something behind, to lube something, need to be un burned? And isn't unburned anything gunk? And doesn't gunk turn into carbon when heated enough? And doesn't the gunk generally stop at the first ring? And any gunk not removed possibly leading to sticking? Requiring more MMO to UNgunk things?

Oh forgive me...I was just funnin with you.



Better question is why has WD-40 now become inflammable? And would that be WD-41? Being yet another variant of the formula that displaced water on the electrics used on the Army's Red Stone Missile Project in the 50's? And why has Brake Clean now become inflammable as well? Will it work as well?

skid~steer.
Next thing you know, they'll make starting fluid inflammable!!! LOL

BTW, I just asked my brother, an ex truck driver, about the use of "INFLAMMABLE" and "FLAMMABLE". He said some time ago they made the use of "INFLAMMABLE" illegal on gas trucks, because the meaning is too confusing. The gas tankers MUST be labeled "FLAMMABLE".

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OK, some one explain to me how it would lube the exhaust valves?? I'm not trying to be funny or step on someones toes, I've heard this all before and was just wondering how does the unburned oil in the fuel mixture get to the exhaust valves and do them any good?
On a teardown after running MMO, I found the oil does not burn, but leaves a film on all the cylinder components. It does make it through the exhaust path, thus it does lubricate the exhaust valves.
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"I believe the reason WD40 has become inflammable is that they have replace the propane/butane used as a propellant with carbon dioxide."

Cool! Methane gas under tremendous seabed pressure five miles under water was what was pushing out the little bit of oil from that leaky BP well for a few days. Little bit as compared to the volume of water in the Gulf.

"While WD40 isn't flammable it IS combustible."

Yep guys in our model R/C flying club still use copious amounts of WD-40 to clean out all the unburned caster oil used in the 0 to 15% nitro found in our aeroplane fuels. We spritz some in the carb and hook up the glow plug and give her a spin. She will run full tilt on WD-40 and boy, then these engines are really free turning and clean.

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One summer a few years back I had a couple of injectors on my Windstar van plug up. The van ran fairly well on the flat but was useless on the hills. All the boys were on vacation at the Ford garage so it was going to be two weeks before they could take it in and install the new injectors. What to do ? Grabbed the MMO and gave The tank a few good glubs. The wife came out and said "OK if I take the van to the store?" "Ok I guess" said I "but she doesn't run too well" The wife was gone for about an hour. When she came back I asked her how the van ran. "Seems good to me" she said, so I took the van myself for a spin and it ran just perfectly. Gotta Love that MMO !!!
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I use MMO to unstick an engine that hasn't run in a while. Makes them crank and start easier. Every so often, you'll hear that MMO is just ATF in a bright red can. MMO was around in the Twenties (at least I think it was) anyway it predates ATF.
I met a Case Backhoe owner and operator, who swears it cleans the injectors in his diesel. It seems to be good stuff!
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MMO is a dirivative of automatic transmission fluid. Pour both into separtate cups and compare.
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I use MMO to unstick an engine that hasn't run in a while. Makes them crank and start easier. Every so often, you'll hear that MMO is just ATF in a bright red can. MMO was around in the Twenties (at least I think it was) anyway it predates ATF.
I met a Case Backhoe owner and operator, who swears it cleans the injectors in his diesel. It seems to be good stuff!
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MMO is a dirivative of automatic transmission fluid. Pour both into separtate cups and compare.
Or is automatic transmission fluid a dirivative of MMO?
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Just a tip. I have a friend that runs MMO but tooo much. His new rebuild was a smoker and I couldn't figure out why. Then he told about the MMO, my opinion his mixture was to strong. So my point is check your plugs and mare sure you are burning clean if not reduce the mixture. I think MMO is a good product if used correctly.
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MMO is a dirivative of automatic transmission fluid. Pour both into separtate cups and compare.
See what I mean! Yet MMO has been around since 1923 (Thank you Mike)
It predates ATF by at least 10-12 years. We had this out over on "Yesterday's Tractors" a few years ago. I admit it looks like ATF but so does Vodka look like water. BUT ATF can be used in the same way! I am more favorable to MMO's ability to unstick an engine than it's qualities as an fuel additive. I do put some in my Backhoe because it sits for long peroids with out running.
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I used mmo for years, found it to be great in unsticky lifters that got gum up from dirty oil, and much the same way a aspirin a day will keep the doctor away i do use it in my gas, now will my motor run longer and better than with out it who knows but it makes me feel better, think I'm going to try it on my bald head see if might give some life up there, lol
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Are sticky values riding with you tonite. Use Bardal! Bardal did it again. Remember this stuff?
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The correct mix is 4 oz per 10 gallons....some mentioned using 6-8 oz and that would be too much.
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Are sticky values riding with you tonite. Use Bardal! Bardal did it again. Remember this stuff?
Is Bardal still availible,worked great on a 57 olds i had. ken ct
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A related (somewhat) story...

After we were married, I bought us a new '78 Pontiac Bonneville Brougham...big four door model, 350 cu in, auto, air, steering, brakes, power everything, crushed velour interior...a real pimp-mobile...rode like your living room. Well, we kept that car for almost 75K miles, which is about my limit on cars...after that I'm tired of 'em. Mama drove that car all the time - it was really "her" car. One day she came home telling me how the car had something wrong with it...seems to have "hitch" in it she said. Said she could feel it at the light...it would sorta "hiccup" as she referred to it. So...I checked it out and diagnosed it as either a collapsed hydraulic lifter, or a stuck valve. Next morning, I drove it to a local shop near my office, Pashby's Automotive. Charlie Pashby was an older man, now long gone, that I had great respect for...he had forgotten more by accident than I will probably ever know about automotive mechanics. Charlie listened to my explanation, and even agreed with my diagnosis in part. He suggested it could also be a fouled plug, even a bad plug wire. But, he said he'd look at it and for me to call him back after lunch. I walked across the street and on up to my office a couple of blocks away.

So, after lunch I called Charlie. He said the car would be ready when I got off work, just come on by and they'd be there until about 6:30. So, I walked on over when I left the office.

As I rounded the corner of Charlie's lot, I noticed my Pontiac sitting right next to the building...hood still up. "Hell," I said aloud, "...I'll bet it's not ready!!!" I started to get all spooled up when Charlie came out of the shop and walked over to my car. "It's about ready for you, Fred." he said over his shoulder, "Jump in and start 'er up for me." So, I did...but I noticed it was hard to start. I could see Charlie working the throttle open and shut while I was cranking on the starter, and could feel the vibration on the gas pedal. Finally it caught and started running, but it was ROUGH...stumbling, coughing, and barely maintaining idle speed. Then I got a view of the smoke...BOY HOWDY...was it smokin'....! Damn thing looked like a mosquito fogger...clouds...and I mean CLOUDS of smoke coming from the exhaust....CLOUDS! Wrapped all around the end of Charlie's building and billowed on down the street. You'd a thought it was a WWI phosgene or mustard gas attack! I caught a glimpse of Charlie under the edge of the still open hood and he was pouring something down the carburator. I got out to see, and he was pouring a quart can of automatic transmission fluid down the carburator throat...not fast, just drizzling it as he held the throttle open to keep it from dying. Smoke was everywhere...clouds of billowing white smoke poured out of the exhaust.

I waited until he had finished and asked him what was up... He said he had poured about a half a quart through the carb after I had left and kept on until the engine died. Then he had just let it sit for several hours. He said that gave the ATF a chance to seep in around the stuck lifter and free it up. That's what made the engine so hard to start when I tried to start it, he explained. He went on to say that he poured the rest of the quart through the carb after it started back up just to make sure. He told me to take the car out on the expressway for a while to blow it out...or, just drive home in second gear to allow the engine to rev higher than it normally would to help clean out all the ATF from the intake, etc. Total cost, $10.00, cash....and thank you very much for your business.

Well...that did the trick...ATF down the intake until the engine strangled, and then let 'er sit for a few hours. I'd have never guessed that would have been all it took to fix that sticking lifter.

MMO is prety much the same idea, I 'spect...

Charlie Pashby...I miss that ol' man...he may not have had all the formal educational courses in automotive mechanics, nor all the certificates on the wall...but, he sure knew how to make an engine run and keep it running.
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I used mmo for years, found it to be great in unsticky lifters that got gum up from dirty oil, and much the same way a aspirin a day will keep the doctor away i do use it in my gas, now will my motor run longer and better than with out it who knows but it makes me feel better, think I'm going to try it on my bald head see if might give some life up there, lol
Let me know if MMO works on your bald head. If it does I could use it there my self!
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It worked for me. In 1968 i soaked my lower face in it for an hour. Havent used a razor to this day.
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If you run MMO for one tank of gas and then pull the manifold you will see a small oil resadue in the chamber in all the valves. the stuff really works
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When a semi broke down on the toll road in sub zero temps I drove that driver to a store for two qts. of ATF, which he used to fill his diesel fuel filters, only to find out that the tiny shaft driving the fuel pump had broken and was not delivering fuel to the injectors on his CAT engine. But the engine did run on the ATF. Hu Ha! for ATF.

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Skip,, I don't know much about diesels, I've only owned two of them, My Case Backhoe and my VW Jetta TDI. However, a diesel mechanic friend told me once that any kind of oil you can force through the injector will make it run. I don't know! I know my jetta has run on heating oil, filtered waste vegetoble oil. and anything else that I don't think is too risky to feed through it. I've told my wife, if she runs out of fuel in it and there's none around, go to a supermarket and buy a gallon of of corn oil or whatever. It'll get you home! So I'd be surprised if the diesel didn't run on ATF.
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My car had low compression in #2. I did a compression check with the engine warm and had a 36LB reading, squirted oil in cylinder ran test again with same results. After this my assumption was a bad valve and I remembered that way back in the 60s my Dad would use MMO in his cars and would swear that it would keep the valve train in great condition, well nothing to loose so I headed to Advance Auto bought a BIG Bottle added maybe 1.2 into the fuel and the remainder in the crankcase. Guess what IT WORKED ! yes my #2 now has a sold 55LBS and she runs perfect. So it does work and was the biggest bang for the buck I had in a very long time.
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...they BOTH tasted awful
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Medusa oil - it does many mystical and wondrous things.
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OK MikeK; you win.

But why do we need MMO? Wouldn't perfect combustion be a combustion that left nothing behind? So for MMO to UNstick things than MMO needs to be left behind after combustion leading to 'things' being gummed up with unburned [whatever I called it. That's not important] stuff?

Oh forgive me...I was just funnin with you.
Better question is why has WD-40 now become inflammable? And would that be WD-41? Being yet another variant of the formula that displaced water on the electrics used on the Army's Red Stone Missile Project in the 50's? And why has Brake Clean now become inflammable as well? Will it work as well?

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"INFLAMABLE"???
SInce that is the same thing as "FLAMMABLE" what ARE you speaking about, Skip ?
We were using WD 40 as a propellant in "Potato Guns" maybe thirty years ago, which meant it was "Flammable" then, and I guess even somewhat explosive, and it still is listed as "Flammable."
While I do recall it was safe for shipboard use, that didn't mean it wasn't flammable.

WHEN was in NON FLAMMABLE??
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The stuff must work......i've never heard a snake squeek!
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After watching posts on MMO for the past few years, it is quite evident that this is about as controversial as engine oil......those that have tried and like it, and those that think it is useless.....don't think any of them are changing no matter what is said either way!
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I had the same experience in our '36 Ford pickup. Started using MMO and the problem went away.

A mechanic told me that today's ethanol gasoline is too 'dry' for the old cars and will eventually cause the valves to stick. The older gasoline formulas lubricated the upper cylinders and valves. Not so today.

Does it actually work? Well, for me it seems to so what the heck, 4oz. per ten gallons and I'm good to go. Half a quart in your motor oil at oil change time is supposed to help too, but I shy away from adding anything to motor oil I guess MMO is OK.
I believe that half a quart is just before the oil change. I believe MMO contains solvents that will clean some of the sludge out of the engine. I used it since my Ford 8N days and in the diesel fuel of my case backhoe. It's a good product. I would not put it into new oil either.
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Some of the guys up here use two cycle outboard motor oil in their gasoline. I still use the Marvel at 4oz to the tank, each time I top up.
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I had a buddy, a retired gentleman who was a B-17 pilot back in the day, who used to swear he put a quart of ATF in the gas tank of all his cars every so often. I think MMO is the same deal. I know ATF is a great penetrating oil so it couldn't hurt -- too much -- could it? His cars always ran well. He's been gone from us a while now, but I know he had cars with fuel injection and catalytic converters. Probably not OBD-III though, or whatever it's called now. My '03 GMC popped a Check Engine light the first time I had to fillup with 10%, and had to be "recalibrated." Has somebody else tried MMO or ATF in a modern?
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I have used MMO in the crankcase (1qt) of all (eight) new motors since 1970, for the break-in change: no adverse effect. I have run it as a winter additive in dire weather, no prob. Also I have u sed it in the gas tank in both old motors and new.
One particular case was a 351 Windsor in a E250, I bought it with a hundred and eight thousand on it. It would back fire, diesel, etc when turned off. The symptoms left and power on hills improved with about seven fill ups. My first experience was a '49 Dodge I had in 1965 it was a smoker I used MMO in the crankcase, the problem was decreased though not eliminated.
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