Schramm air compressor

[KiWinUS]

I just drug home a Schramm air compressor , anyone know where I could get head gaskets & carb kit for it ? or a book or owners manual ?
Thanks
Cheers
Tony

[Mart]

Give us a clue - what sort of carb does it have on it? Anything could have been fitted over the years.

Is there any reason the stock type gaskets won't work?

Mart.

[john hamilton]

What kind of engine is it? Usually if it's a V8 one bank is stock and runs and other is an air compressor which may use a stock gasket too.

It's always worthwhile to gather all information from plates or decals on a system then go to the manufacturer. Call them first. When I was working on my Hobart welder the Miller company (Which bought Hobart) directed me to their web page which had a forum like this one. I got all the answers and some parts.

[KiWinUS]

its a zenith carb & I believe its the original carb
It has a 59ab engine it uses the middle 2 cylinders on one side & the end 2 on the other side for an engine & the opposite . this is in really nice condition other than sitting & the great guy I bought it off took the heads off to see how it worked & 1 stud is stripped & he torqued them to 65lb , so I thought I would take them off , intall new gaskets & a stud , rebuild the carb & start her up .
Thanks again !!!
Cheers
Tony

[G.M.]

Schramm used several engines but most were early Ford V/8s. I have known Dick Schramm for 50 years and he let me go up in the "attic" to look for parts when I restored a 39 Schramm compressor. They threw out dumpster loads of brand new Ford blocks and engine parts years ago. The only thing they have is a list of serial numbers and the dates they were manufactured. The only thing I found was 6 industrial fan blades. The parts manager gave me a stack of parts manuals about 12"s high. I took the few out I was interested in. Some were on a compressor with two V/8 engines. Dick told me he gave all the old blue prints and drawings to the Chester County Historical Society so I dropped the parts cataloges off to them. I heard something about he wasn't happy about the way they handling the material and got it back. I talked to Jerry Windle of the EFV8 club years ago and he was interested in it. Shramms Western sales manager, Frank McBride took a lot of parts to Texas and was selling them for years. He operated under lena's Warehouse. I called him for a head gasket which are differant from Ford gaskets and he said he would punch one out by hand from gasket material but I didn't want some home made gasket, I could do that myself. I believe Frank was in Ft Worth, Tx and the phone number I have is 1-817-370-2039. G.M.

[G.M.]

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They used all the early flatheads. My 39 compressure by Schramms serial numbers had a 37 engine and the pressure tank was date stamped 1937. Dick said his father told him after the depression there was a mini depression in 39 and they used whatever parts they had on hand. G.M.

[G.M.]

I just Googled Lenas Warehouse and they are still in Ft Worth with the same phone number. They probly have some parts?? G.M.

[Gary in La.]

I had a Schramm years ago and it had a '39 V-8 in it. Also had the side panels which are very rare.
The head gasket P/N's are R/H FUB-214-RA and L/H FUB-214-LA.
Finding them or any parts for that matter will be very difficult. Most had been scrapped by the factory and the rest went to Frank McBride in Fort Worth. Not sure if he is still living or where the parts arenow if he had any left. The last contact phone I have is 817-370-2039
The carb is usually a Zenith TU-4
Many parts on these are pretty well Schramm specific with their P/N's.
Hope this helps.

[Al K.]

Hi, Check my avatar. That is where I got my 59AB. I have a manual somewhere and can try to find it if you have no luck elsewhere. If you are looking for the compressor parts, I may be willing to sell off what I have. Al K.

[Al K.]

This must be your luck day. Go play the lotto. I found the manual in the first place I looked. Send me a PM with your address and I will copy it at work. Don't tell anyone. It's 80 double sided pages. I forget a lot of stuff, so if you don't hear from me soon, just PM me again and nudge me. I'll wake up and get back on it. Al K.

[KiWinUS]

YESSSSSSSSSS so awesome
"THANK YOU" !!!
& I have already purchased A lottery tic for tonight !!
Thanks !
Thanks also to GM for all the great help & to Gary also for his info . mine also has the side boxes .
I still have it in my enclosed trailer , but when i do unload it I will take pice & post them.
Al K again thanks so much !!!
PM sent

[Gary in La.]

Send me the serial number when you get it out of the trailer and I can maybe give you the date it was built. I have a pretty complete factory S/N list.

[Mike in AZ]

ahhh, more fun for you, eh, Tony??....Cheers....Mike

[1932 V8]

I have a Schramm air compressor I got from a good friend last year . It is in ok non running shape . I will post a pic when I have a moment. It has a 37 engine on it . They are pretty neat deals in my opinion . It's on my todo list

[Jim A]

Good Morning,

Some Schramm information, Frank Mcbride passed away in 2006, Then Sam Hardgrove (Franks neighbor) took over the business till 2011. I took over from Sam and have the business today.

KiWinUS, I have manuals and head gaskets for this compressor, I have other parts on hand, just depends on what all you need.

Jim Arras
419 722 0774

[funrunr]

Wow KiWinUS, this has got to be a very lucky day for you. all this info within 24 hrs. You didn't even have to leave your PC or website for that matter.fordbarners are some good people and you must have good carma. This was a fun one to read.
(Did you check your lottery numbers LOL)

[G.M.]

For those that don't know Schramm still manufactures drilling rigs. They also made screw type air compressors about 30 years ago. Dick told me it was a German designed unit and they were having a lot of problems with them. I don't see them listed in their list of products so I guess they dropped them. Another company located in West Chester, Pa. , Lasko Metal Products that makes the fans for WalMarts had a Schramm 4 or 6 cylinder automotive straight engine driven by a large electric motor that made air for the entire factory. This compressor ran for years with very few problems. G.M.

[Jim A]

G.M.

I know they made screw compressors, have some information on them in a file- will have to look that up. There are still a lot of Schramm Compressors being ran in industrial settings today. I have 3 myself, a WD-50, that is made out of a Wisconsin for my shop air, a 160 Pneumatractor, and a Fordair 60 crawler.

You mentioned the 2 V-8 compressor, you have a manual on this? I know they made them, have seen a couple pictures, but have no information on this.

Jim

[G.M.]

Jim I think I kept a manual on the dual engine modle. It is in Pa. and I'm in Florida and won't be back up there until late June. Since your into Schramms more then I am you can have it. Emal me [email protected] . You could call Dick Shramm to find out if he has the manuals I gave to the Chester County Historical Society or if they still have them. I think I called them for a copy and they said Dick wasn't happy with the way they were handling the info and got it all back.They are both located in West Chester, Pa. There were several manuals on a few differant dual engine types if I recall. The CCHS will make copies if they have them. G.M.

[48coe]

Contact Gerry Markham. he's in Rochester, N.Y. 585-235-1262. He is very knowledgeable on stationary engines, and is one of the best flathead mechanics in the country.

[1932 V8]

Here's mine . She's a beauty ! Ha !

[1937pickup]

Can these engines be converted to car use again?

[Al K.]

Yes, the plugs in the valve pockets need to come out and be replaced with valves. The intake and carbs also need to be replaced too. Mine ran and made air before I put the block in my P/U and mated it to my T-5. Al K.

[KiWinUS]

Originally Posted by 1932 V8

Here's mine . She's a beauty ! Ha !

WOW that thing is awesome !!!!its like 36 ford heads , keep us all up to date when you start to make her a runner !
Thanks for the pics

[KiWinUS]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU !!!!!!
To all that have replied to this post . Thanks for all the help you have all been !!!
I am going to take everyone up on their offers & keep you all up to speed with my progress on my Schramm . the more I have checked it out in my trailer the nicer it seems to be .
again Thank You ALL !!!
Cheers
Tony

[VeryTangled]

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Learning now! Hitting on four and pumping on four.

Great shot of the starter to oil pan area. We had more than one discussion about putting a brace between the starter bolt and the pan.

-VT/Jeff

[Jim A]

G.M.

THANKS! I will send you an email tomorrow, been sitting in a plow truck for about 14 hours, time for some sleep before back on the road at 4am.

Tony, good talking to you, will be in contact tomorrow evening, unless the snow keeps falling.

I will post a picture of my Schramm Fordair when I get a minute, until then, have a great night all.

Jim

[skidmarks]

spent some time around a schramm drill rig welding casings. we also had a few compressors but they were the later 4, 6 and twin 4 type that was all schramm. they loved to drink gas. the schramm tractors were neat too. everything about them was heavy duty.

i had a V8 ford water pump that was also built in west chester, did schramm ever build them or just air compressors ?

[awelker]

I have two of the Schramm Fordair's and even with the manual I wanted to understand the slowdown and unloader valves better before starting. So a simple test which I learned alot and I feel is a good check is with to hook up an airline from another compressor with a regulator valve with the Schramm not running. Then slowly turn the regulator pressure up and down and you can test all the unloader and slowdown valves easily. Also will see if the pressure relief works properly.

Also a good idea to remove the intake and pressurize the unloader valves so you can see if they are working properly.

Andy

[KiWinUS]

Originally Posted by Gary in La.

Send me the serial number when you get it out of the trailer and I can maybe give you the date it was built. I have a pretty complete factory S/N list.

Gary , I went in trailer & removed the data tag
serial #98680 but the 6 was a 5 & had 6 stamped over it .
thanks for all the help.
Cheers
tony

[Gary in La.]

With those numbers,either way, shows it built in 1946 as a FORDAIR.

[bryna]

This is my model 60 Fordair... both Jim A. and Sam Hardgrove were of great help getting mine done. It makes air like crazy...

[G.M.]

Skidmarks, I don't know if Schramm ever made water pumps. There was a company named National Foam that was in Westchester but move to Exton,Pa in the early 50's. They made fire engines and may have made pumps. Also Hale fire pump was in the area. G.M.

[Dick Webber]

Not to hijack the thread, but it brought to mind this picture I took at Zolfo Springs FL years ago. I first thought this was a 337, but not so. Living in the backyard of Gordon Smith Co. air compressors converted from Fords interest me. I don't know if this is a Shramm or a Smith or ?? Maybe it will help identify the carbeuretor.

[Jim A]

Dick, that's a Schramm fordair compressor.

Not sure about water pumps- will have to see what I can find on that.

[G.M.]

That's a Schramm, pre 39. I have a Smith compressor also with a modle A engine. I never fooled with it. I may sell it if anyone is interested. G.M.

[Jim A]

Attached are some pictures of the Schramm Fordair 60 Crawler. By Schramm records they produced 150 crawlers, this one it number 23 or 24 made ( I forget which, will have to look that up again). This was produce with full rubber tracks, which they had a lot of problems with throwing a track when you turned, Schramm recalled the early ones and fit with steel track, which is what the later ones came with. For some reason this one was never refitted with steel tracks.

[1952henry]

That is neat!

[KiWinUS]

WOW that baby is awesome !!!!
Thanks for sharing Jim , & thanks for all the help you have been !
Cheers
Tony

[Jim A]

Thanks guy, Was about a 5 year project. Took about 2.5 years dealing on making tracks for it.

Tony,

Attached are some scans on the Fordair 60, I have about 25 pages scanned. If you want to send me your email I will send to you.

Jim

[cdan]

hey KIWinUS where did you pic it up?

[KiWinUS]

Originally Posted by cdan

hey KIWinUS where did you pic it up?

cdan , I seen it on craigslist & called about it , it was in Mt.Airy NC. the guys dad had traded for it , It may have come from Va.
cheers
Tony

[KiWinUS]

Originally Posted by Al K.

Yes, the plugs in the valve pockets need to come out and be replaced with valves. The intake and carbs also need to be replaced too. Mine ran and made air before I put the block in my P/U and mated it to my T-5. Al K.

Al , thanks so much for the package !!!!
Your One Great Ford Barner !!!!
Cheers
Tony

[Jim A]

Skidmarks,

From the information I have, can find nothing about Schramm making water pumps. They did make pneumatic sump pumps.

Jim

[Laloland]

Can someone tell by this pic if this 4cyl motor is a Ford or I.H.? It's in a 1962 Schramm Tractor.

[Jim A]

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laloland,

Cant see enough to even tell you what size compressor you have. Send me the serial number off the block, I can tell you what you have then. Most likely it is a schramm engine, as most of the pneumatractors used their own engine.

Jim

[Jim A]

Are you sure its a 4 cylinder? Looks like it would be a 105 or 125 cfm compressor, which should be a 6 cylinder.

[RednexToyz]

I have one of these I'd like to get more information on.... I believe this to be a later model Fordair 60 Crawler? Anyone provide any further information. Value? Rarity?

I am doubtful I will have the time to do a restoration on this, though I'd LOVE to. At the same time, I can no longer see it sit. I'd much rather it find a home where it can be restored. This one has a dozer blade attached. Have not seen one with this "option".

Thanks!

Bill

[KiWinUS]

Mate , thats a damn beauty there !!!!
I would love such a toy !!!
Good Luck !
Cheers
Tony

[RednexToyz]

I'd love to find a new home for it. It looks to be in good overall condition. I'm having a hard time placing a monetary value (aka pricetag) on it. Rarity=Money ..... but how much? Any ideas?

[KiWinUS]

Where are you located ?

[RednexToyz]

California

[BILL WZOREK]

RednexToyz

It's like pulling Hen's teeth with you ? KiwinUS asked where you are located, Yes you did say Calfornia but a city would be much nicer if he wants to make a offer he has to consider the freight to get it to his location >Charlotte NC < see how easy that was it was in his Profile.
AS far as being rare & worth a lot of $$$$$$$ remember there are a lot less people that may want some thing like that so if you realy want to get it into the hands of someone that can & would rebuild it you have to put a reasonable price on it.

There are people on here that can & will tell you a reasonable price / But it may be a lot less then what you were hopping for.

[RednexToyz]

I am located at zip code 95004. As for reasonable price, I have not stipulated a price or price range. I am, at this stage, inquiring as to what the general concensus feels is a reasonable price for this item. Please, don't presume I have my hopes set on a unreasonable price. Through some correspondence with reliable sources, I have gained a great deal of knowlege and an idea of value but more information & knowlege on this unit is welcomed. As of last night, I have a local individual who has expressed great interest in the restoration of this item so a value, less shipping costs, would aid me in a better discussion with this local individual.

Thanks!

[KiWinUS]

yes I would love it , but its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to far away from me to think about.
Thanks
Cheers
Tony

[Mike B]

Originally Posted by RednexToyz

I am located at zip code 95004. As for reasonable price, I have not stipulated a price or price range. I am, at this stage, inquiring as to what the general concensus feels is a reasonable price for this item. Please, don't presume I have my hopes set on a unreasonable price. Through some correspondence with reliable sources, I have gained a great deal of knowlege and an idea of value but more information & knowlege on this unit is welcomed. As of last night, I have a local individual who has expressed great interest in the restoration of this item so a value, less shipping costs, would aid me in a better discussion with this local individual.

Thanks!

You might try yesterdaystractors.com.

[RednexToyz]

I will check them out.

Thanks!

[Kuhns_Toys]

Hi All,
I recently inherited a Schramm air compressor. Our father was going to fully refurbish this machine before he unexpectedly passed. We intend on selling it, but want to find the right home for it. We don't just want it to end up at someone's garage, getting used to it's death. I know very little about the compressor. I just bought a new battery and when I turn the key, the engine turns freely and air builds up immediately. I don't even know if it takes unleaded or diesel. It's been sitting for about 5 years. (Dad broke his hip and wasn't able to move around much the last few years).
Thanks in advance to all the information. I'm new to this forum and will do my best to provide the requested info and to reply. This thread gave me a lot of wonderful info.
Here are a few pictures:

[Mart]

I don't know what motor that was converted from, (not a ford V8 obviously) but as it has a distributor and spark plugs it must be a gasolene engine rather than a diesel.

Sorry about your Dad.

Mart.

[skidmarks]

Its a schramm engine. Looks like a 105 runs on 3 amd pumps on 3. open the discharge valve on the air tank before trying to start it. We had a few of them. they love gasoline.

[53INGY]

To all schramm Compressor collectors like myself Olsons Gaskets out of Washington I met at last years Hershey makes head gaskets for the flathead compressors360-871-1207 I have a 1937 Fordair I believe just bought from local cemetery. Hope to have it running this spring. I also have two later 59AB models will sell after I make my latest run.Both are stuck but complete or for parts. I am a 45 year V8 club member and yes Gerry Markum in Rochester is a very good source of info on the Schramm air compressors

[mercman from oz]

For further information and pictures on these units, you need to refer to Post:-
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169145

[Zookeeper]

I recently purchased a Model 105 Schramm air compressor. The power unit is a pre WWII Ford V-8 industrial engine driving a 1937+ Ford V-8 engine compressor unit. Would appreciate any technical information that could be supplied.