1935 model 60 cabriolet 22 h.p. v8

[rogergurney]

just a few photo,s you might find of interest of my 1935 model 60 cabriolet.
the clock mirror was fitted the wire to it was to illiminate it.
the locking spare wheel sliding lock cover has empire stamped in.
what was the bent bracket near the gas peddle for.
and a six volt fuel pump, no where on the engine to fit a machanical pump
the headlamp glass with magnaflex bars different to usa cars?.
two engine mounting holes for the different size engines.
this car is the model 60 the large engine car was the model 48.
roger
uk.

[Mike in AZ]

interesting....rhd, right???...maybe the bracket near gas pedal was to keep your shoe from wearing thru the kick panel??....that engine only 22 hp??...thanks for posting....Mike

[KiWinUS]

my RHD 36 has the same foot rest bracket by the gas pedal

[rogergurney]

yes right hand drive 22hp 2227c.c. v8... uk built at dagenham essex, cars in the 1930,s in uk were charged road tax on there h.p rating hence this car was sold with a lower tax charge.
the car had much lower power output so the gear ratio,s were also changed.
it was in production in uk 1935-36 to become the model 62 that was only built has a saloon.
roger

[G.M.]

That's a 37 to 40 engine in the USA. I would question if other countries had this engine in 35 before being used in the USA. G.M.

[JM 35 Sedan]

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I thought I read somewhere that what we call the 60 hp engine was originally designed here in the mid 30's specifically for use in the UK. Then later, in '37, Ford decided to use it here in the US for a lower cost car that was supposed to be more economical to drive. Many of these vehicles were converted to 85 hp engines.

Just read some additional history on these little 60's in the EFV-8C/A's 1937 Ford Book. It states that the V-8 60 engine was originally designed in the mid 30's for the European Market, specifically for Great Britain and France. The two things that drove the need for this engine were the high price of gas in Europe and the licensing tax in Great Britain based on engine horsepower. The original 136 ci engine, model 54, was introduced in a full-size 1935 Ford and was much different than the engine used in the States beginning in 1937. The original design was unique with four main bearings and two exhaust ports on each exhaust manifold with #1 and #2 and #3 and #4 ports siamesed on each side. Also, the water pumps were mounted in the heads. Apparently, there were only 3000 of these model 54 engines built. There was an article written by Dave Cole on these engines in September-October and November-December 2006 issues of the V-8 Times.

[1937pickup]

Love the mirror with the clock.

[Brian]

That engine first came out in GB in 1935, it is real peculiar in that it has a four main bearing crank. Another barner 'IanNZ' has previously posted photos of one of these oddballs that he has in his possession.

[Tudortomnz]

Roger, do you know whether your '35 cabby was originally fitted with the first V8 60 which was a 4 bearing crank,2 exhaust port, 15 stud engine? These were designed & made at Detroit & sent to Europe but were soon replaced by the well known 3 exhaust port V8 60.
I have seen the one owned by Ian stables here in NZ [ engine display only] , but there are a few others here, plus one in US &another in Argentina.
Hopefully Ian will chime in as he is The Man on these rare V860's.

[rogergurney]

no mine lost its original engine in the past but the original registration book that came with car states a type model 60 rated at 22hp.
this what the original engine would have looked like.
these photo,s were sent to me so sorry if wrong for showing them
roger

[rogergurney]

if anyone no,s of such an engine available to buy would love to put car back
to original spec.
well you can always dream
chassis no. 11-54-1559
roger
uk

[KiWinUS]

Originally Posted by Tudortomnz

Roger, do you know whether your '35 cabby was originally fitted with the first V8 60 which was a 4 bearing crank,2 exhaust port, 15 stud engine? These were designed & made at Detroit & sent to Europe but were soon replaced by the well known 3 exhaust port V8 60.
I have seen the one owned by Ian stables here in NZ [ engine display only] , but there are a few others here, plus one in US &another in Argentina.
Hopefully Ian will chime in as he is The Man on these rare V860's.

Tom , is Ian in Canterbury also ? I will be back next week in ChCh & Ashburton till Christmas and would love to see that engine . Could this be what my Aluminum 60 oil pan came off ?
Cheers
Tony

[Bruce Lancaster]

I once saw the bare block from one of those 4-main early 60's in a French junkyard...I was flabbergasted! Clearly a Ford V8 but with everything scrambled. I think changeover was very early, during 1936, to the 3 main version we got in '37. The earlies also had electric fuelpump...look at the manifold on that second engine. That detail has crept into some US repair books of the period to confound Americans, who always got the regular version here.
I think only a few hundred were made of the '35-6 version, beginning at the end of the '35 year.
In 1936 Ford of England introduced the slightly downsized Model 62, which got only 60HP engines in its original version. With the bigger WEnglish 221's it served in WWII and then became the 221 Pilot, overseas...or channel...it was the Matford and I think a German version as well.

[Dale Fairfax]

For what it's worth, the horsepower figure of "22" was not a Brake horsepower number. It was "taxable Horsepower" which was calculated by some arcane formula developed by the government and based purely on bore & stroke (with some factor applied to bore which favored longer strokes.) My '48 Motor's manual lists taxable horsepower for all engines. The V-8 60 is listed at 21.63; the 221" V-8s @ 30.01; the 239s @ 32.5.

[Tudortomnz]

Originally Posted by KiWinUS

Tom , is Ian in Canterbury also ? I will be back next week in ChCh & Ashburton till Christmas and would love to see that engine . Could this be what my Aluminum 60 oil pan came off ?
Cheers
Tony

Hi Tony
Ian is in Hawera, Taranaki. You would enjoy meeting him & seeing his garage & what is parked in it.
Send me a pm if you want his address & number.
Tom

[KiWinUS]

thanks Tom , I will not be able to make it to Hawera unfortunately .Need to spent time with family & friends in Canterbury.
Cheers
Tony

[Ian NZ]

Thanks to Tom for informing me about this article on the F.B Forum.
Regarding the 1935 Ford V8-60 22hp two exhaust port four bearing crankshaft engine.
There were 3355 two exhaust port V8-60 engines manufactured in Detriot in 1935.
These engines were fitted to several Ford V8 112inch wheelbase vehicles imported from Canada as well as the English Model 61 BBE semi forward control 25cwt single rear wheel truck chassis. This four bearing two exhaust port V8-60 engine was designed in America for the English market in 1934 and were manufactured in the later half of 1935 and in the first few months in 1936, and flowed from Dearborn to Strasbourg in France for their Matford models until they started production of their own three exhaust port V8-60 engine. Some 25cwt chassis with this two exhaust port V8-60 engines were also imported into Australia in 1935. Four of these engines have been found in England, A 1935 Ford V8 Fordor which is being restored has one fitted to it, after receiving information from Ford V8 members in England.
Another four are in N.Z. two probably from 1935 vehicles and two imported the last few years one from Argentina and another from a 1935 U.S. Ford Tudor.
As far as I know there has only been a total of eight been found so far.
Tony, that aluminium oil pan would look good on my display engine as shown by
Rogergurney.

[rogergurney]

this is the ali sump of my engine seems very much the same

[fordscript]

I used to have a 35 deluxe fordor touring sedan ex British. The engine had been replaced with a regular Pilot engine. It was a late production 35, with the small top radiator, and louvred inner fenders. Very original, with imitation leather upholstery. I still have the headlight shells...they are different in that they have a countersunk screw hole at the back of them...evidently for some type of beam adjusting or?? The dash and window frames were a much darker, more maroon taupe than other 35 deluxe 's I have seen. 1 other difference that really seemed odd was the engine 'steady' rods were bolted to boss's on the gearbox case instead of the engine. This car was originally cordoba grey, but had been repainted a medium green.

[Ian NZ]

This is a photo of a English Ford Model 60 Fordor fitted with a early two exhaust port V8 -60 engine which is being restored in England, a lot of parts such as the waterpumps have been made for this engine, as they are not obtainable as they are different to the later 1937 model and parts are not interchangeable.