Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Early V8 (1932-53)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 07-21-2010, 05:57 PM   #1
panhead_pete
Senior Member
 
panhead_pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 111
Default Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Just wanted a quick shout out of thanks to Ryan et al and all those before him. Just purchased this 33 from an ad here. Stoked to say the least. Comes with a 35 motor/box/diff etc that are out of the car as the original motor, box and brakes are missing. Only planned up grade immeadiately is juice brakes. I wont have it in my own shed for a few months so plenty of time to plan but think it will just get it together and running. Thanks again.

















panhead_pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2010, 06:03 PM   #2
39coupe
Senior Member
 
39coupe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Weeki Wachee, Florida
Posts: 128
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Congrats to you. Looks like a great start.
39coupe is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 07-21-2010, 08:06 PM   #3
CWPASADENA
Senior Member
 
CWPASADENA's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: PASADENA, CA
Posts: 737
Thumbs up Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

WOW,

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

Looks like it will make a GREAT CAR.

Keep us posted as you proceed and WE ALWAYS LIKE PICTURES!!!!!

Chris
CWPASADENA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2010, 08:37 PM   #4
panhead_pete
Senior Member
 
panhead_pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 111
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Thanks guys, will I need a different drive shaft to run from the 35 box to the 33 diff?
panhead_pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2010, 09:21 PM   #5
CWPASADENA
Senior Member
 
CWPASADENA's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: PASADENA, CA
Posts: 737
Thumbs up Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Quote:
Originally Posted by panhead_pete View Post
Thanks guys, will I need a different drive shaft to run from the 35 box to the 33 diff?

You will need a 33 trans mount on your 35 Box and everything else will bolt together. The torque tube an drive shaft will fit right up as long as your car originally had a V-8 Engine and not a 4 Cyl. If your car was a 4 Cyl. Car, the drive shaft and torque tube will be Apx. 1 1/2" too long. There is an ongoing Thread on The Barn on this subject.

If you let us know the overall lingth of your torque tube, (Front end of bell to flange, where it bolts to the center housing of the rear axle) we can tell if it is a V-8 or 4 cyl.

As far as Hydraulic Brakes are concerned, you need to get in touch with Richard at The Early V-8 Garage. (626) 338-2282. He makes a complete kit to install Hydraulic Brakes on your Early V-8 Ford. I have his kit on my '34 and it is really great. He can supply every part you will need.

Good luck with your project and be sure to let us know how you are proceeding.

Chris
CWPASADENA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2010, 10:16 PM   #6
panhead_pete
Senior Member
 
panhead_pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 111
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Hi Chris

Thanks for the info as it so happens got in touch with Richard this morning, love the search function on here.

Sadly the car does not come with the original Torque tube so is there any other way of knowing if the car was originally a V8 or not? I guess in a way it wont matter as long as I source a V8 torque tube and driveshaft? If thats the case how long should these be so I can ensure we source the correct one?
panhead_pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2010, 10:38 PM   #7
Russ/40
Senior Member
 
Russ/40's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Santee, California
Posts: 1,854
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

What a great looking car! My favorite year, the 33's. You have definitely found a very nice car. Tell us more about how you found it.
Russ/40 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2010, 11:33 PM   #8
panhead_pete
Senior Member
 
panhead_pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 111
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ/40 View Post
What a great looking car! My favorite year, the 33's. You have definitely found a very nice car. Tell us more about how you found it.
Read the classifieds here Russ.
panhead_pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 12:05 AM   #9
Mr 42
Senior Member
 
Mr 42's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Sweden
Posts: 324
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

A really nice car.

Just for the record, the fourcylinder propshaft is the short one. (around 45mm 1 1/2")

The reason for this is that the fourcylinder engine have bigger cylinderdiameter, causing it to be longer then the V8. And the 33-34 dont have a big engine room

Its handled by shorter propshaft and turning the gearbox mount 180 degrees.
Mr 42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 12:09 AM   #10
forever4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 290
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Quote:
Originally Posted by panhead_pete View Post
Sadly the car does not come with the original Torque tube so is there any other way of knowing if the car was originally a V8 or not? I guess in a way it wont matter as long as I source a V8 torque tube and driveshaft? If thats the case how long should these be so I can ensure we source the correct one?
Hey Pete,
Does it have the original fuel lines running down the frame?
Four cylinder lines were on the RH side of the vehicle, and V8 lines were on the LH side.

For you upside down guys, LH and RH side has nothing to do with where the steering gear is at, or which side of the road you drive on.
The 'side' is always relative to the driver's orientation, not an outside observer.
Example: the vehicle LH side is always the side with the oil fill tube on a four cylinder Model B engine.
The vehicle RH side is always the side with the fuel pump on a four cylinder Model B engine.

For some pics of the 1933 Four cylinder chassis, see this link:
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/model46chassis.htm

For 1933 V8 & 4 driveshaft and trans mounting differences see this:
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/model46rearsupport.htm

再见!
__________________
http://www.fordgarage.com/

Last edited by forever4; 11-14-2010 at 08:45 PM.
forever4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 12:36 AM   #11
panhead_pete
Senior Member
 
panhead_pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 111
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Forever4 amd Mr 42 thanks. Will go look at that link now. I'll ask the seller as its still at his place until my $ hit his bank account. BTW do you mean looking from the front of the car or rear mate. Us Aussies are sometimes ass about lol.

I know Im getting ahead of myself with this but Im so excited. So much so only got about 5 hours sleep last night.

Sorry for another question but if you look in the second last pic you can see the floor of the trailer. Was there originally a panel there or wood with a small panel over the gearbox?

Thanks guys.

Last edited by panhead_pete; 07-22-2010 at 12:46 AM.
panhead_pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 12:48 AM   #12
Mr 42
Senior Member
 
Mr 42's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Sweden
Posts: 324
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Another hint could be the Vin number, The V8 starts with 18.
And the fourcylinder start's with B,
As i understand it.

I wouldn't slept one hour if i got a car like that ;-)
Congrats......
Mr 42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 01:11 AM   #13
panhead_pete
Senior Member
 
panhead_pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 111
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Its a V8!!! It keeps getting better and better. But boy am I tired!

Well I need to do some learning. Is there a good reference source on the net showing part diagrams, exploded views of different areas of the mechanical side, perhaps even a dealers cataloug etc etc. Getting books where I live is a little difficult.

Which company would be a reputable source of new engine and gearbox mounts? As will get the motor and box fitted for shipping.

Last edited by panhead_pete; 07-22-2010 at 03:34 AM.
panhead_pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 08:53 AM   #14
BrianCT
Senior Member
 
BrianCT's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Windham, CT
Posts: 574
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Go to the Early Ford V8 site and order the 33-34 book . It will be a great source for you.
Also look at sites like Macs antique auto for parts.
__________________
Keep on cruising!
BrianCT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 09:44 AM   #15
CWPASADENA
Senior Member
 
CWPASADENA's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: PASADENA, CA
Posts: 737
Question Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Quote:
Originally Posted by CWPASADENA; If your car was a 4 Cyl. Car, the drive shaft and torque tube will be [U
Apx.[/U] 1 1/2" too long.
Chris
This should have been "The 4 Cyl. Torque Tube is Apx. 1 1/2" too SHORT for a V-8 car.

The 4 Cyl. Engine is a little longer then the V-8 and they need to sit back in the chassis just a little to keep the fan from running into the radiator.

It must have been asleep when I wrote it.

Chris.
CWPASADENA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 10:52 AM   #16
hbleadsled
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: salinas ca.
Posts: 267
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Pete looks like a solid car for a good start good luck. Harold central coast Ca.
hbleadsled is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 01:14 PM   #17
Capn John
Senior Member
 
Capn John's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: BIRTHPLACE OF SPEED, FLORIDA
Posts: 359
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33



From Ebay, this should be what your looking for. Search 1933 Ford floorboard.
Also Howell's Sheetmetal, http://www.fordor.com/
Plus Bradley Antique Automotive, Charlotte, NC 28214, phone 704 392 3206
http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...ialnumbers.htm
http://www.earlyfordv8.org/ Ford 1933 1934 complete restoration Book is now available. This 1” plus thick book and over 400 pages is the official restoration book published by the early Ford V8 club of America. Book is jammed packed with color and black and white photos. For reference or coffee table, if you own or like these year Ford’s this is a must have book. Covers every possible catagory of the 1933 1934 Ford.
1928-1948 Pass, 1928-1947 PU "The Green Bible CD Version

$30.00 above from Bob Drake, you might also look for the GREEN BIBLE and various repro Ford books on parts.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/
http://www.roadsters.com/ford/ scroll down for other parts sources
Hope this helps!!!

Last edited by Capn John; 07-22-2010 at 01:46 PM.
Capn John is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 03:24 PM   #18
BrianCT
Senior Member
 
BrianCT's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Windham, CT
Posts: 574
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

The original style transmission covers are reproed. They have correct form and holes for shift and brake handle.
__________________
Keep on cruising!
BrianCT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 03:32 PM   #19
FlatheadTed
Senior Member
 
FlatheadTed's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Auckland
Posts: 2,332
Send a message via AIM to FlatheadTed
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

I used a 35 rear engine mount in my 34 I don.t think there is much difference except for the parking brake ,
Quote:
Originally Posted by CWPASADENA View Post
You will need a 33 trans mount on your 35 Box and everything else will bolt together. The torque tube an drive shaft will fit right up as long as your car originally had a V-8 Engine and not a 4 Cyl. If your car was a 4 Cyl. Car, the drive shaft and torque tube will be Apx. 1 1/2" too long. There is an ongoing Thread on The Barn on this subject.

If you let us know the overall lingth of your torque tube, (Front end of bell to flange, where it bolts to the center housing of the rear axle) we can tell if it is a V-8 or 4 cyl.

As far as Hydraulic Brakes are concerned, you need to get in touch with Richard at The Early V-8 Garage. (626) 338-2282. He makes a complete kit to install Hydraulic Brakes on your Early V-8 Ford. I have his kit on my '34 and it is really great. He can supply every part you will need.

Good luck with your project and be sure to let us know how you are proceeding.

Chris
__________________
http://www.flatheadted.com
FlatheadTed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 06:18 PM   #20
panhead_pete
Senior Member
 
panhead_pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 111
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Thanks guys, will track down those publications and hopefully they can post them to me here in China.
__________________
Wtd for 33 5W
  • Orig interior including seat
  • Steering wheel
  • Wood kit
  • Roof insert in useable condition
For this



http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...8520&showall=1
panhead_pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 07:20 PM   #21
Capn John
Senior Member
 
Capn John's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: BIRTHPLACE OF SPEED, FLORIDA
Posts: 359
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

panhead (what a great name!!) hmm! that's not a Harley sneaking into a FORD site, is it?????

start googling your ideas!!
http://www.classicflatglass.com/Auto...FQuenAodhUy1cA
Capn John is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 07:27 PM   #22
panhead_pete
Senior Member
 
panhead_pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 111
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Thanks John - Yes been into bikes for about 20yrs now but have gone all soft and only have late model HDs now - shovelheads

Has anyone used these guys? The fit etc OK. Dont wont to be finding out ONCE its all in Australia

Have emailed the early Club asking if they can post the Resto book to me here in China. Hopefully yes
__________________
Wtd for 33 5W
  • Orig interior including seat
  • Steering wheel
  • Wood kit
  • Roof insert in useable condition
For this



http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...8520&showall=1

Last edited by panhead_pete; 07-22-2010 at 07:33 PM.
panhead_pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 07-23-2010, 02:04 AM   #23
Capn John
Senior Member
 
Capn John's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: BIRTHPLACE OF SPEED, FLORIDA
Posts: 359
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

More auto glass: www.sandersreproglass.com/v8 , if you know the month of manufacture (i.e. VIN) you can have this etched on the front window
Join the Early Ford V8 Club
If you can't find the torque tube check out: Mitchell Manufacturing, PO Box 925, Colusa, CA 95932, 530.458.4500, mitchmanfc@frontiernet.net OR
Columbia Two Speed Parts, Inc, John Connelly, PO Box 891311, Temecula, CA 92589,951.719.4077,columbiatwospeed@earthlink.net
Capn John is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 04:18 AM   #24
panhead_pete
Senior Member
 
panhead_pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 111
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Hi Guys
After a year work is starting Who makes a great wood kit?
__________________
Wtd for 33 5W
  • Orig interior including seat
  • Steering wheel
  • Wood kit
  • Roof insert in useable condition
For this



http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...8520&showall=1
panhead_pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2011, 05:07 AM   #25
1934
Senior Member
 
1934's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Quebec, Canada
Posts: 131
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Beautiful car Pete! Good luck with your project!
1934 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2013, 05:28 PM   #26
37coop
Senior Member
 
37coop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: kent , u.k
Posts: 310
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

well done pete ,bikes, cars I luv em all...got a couple of 40s Harleys and some English bikes but the old fords are my longest and greatest love (family apart of course),cheers jim.
37coop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2013, 05:51 PM   #27
thirt4
Senior Member
 
thirt4's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Arizona, USA
Posts: 262
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Also, your replacement tin can be purchased from Jeff Hill here in Arizona. Here is his company's link:

http://www.absolutesheetmetal.com/

He has made all the tin for my 1934 coupe and it has all fit to a "T". It is thick also, not like most others. And reasonably priced, too.
thirt4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2013, 06:18 PM   #28
mrtexas
Senior Member
 
mrtexas's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Sugar Land, TX
Posts: 2,045
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Quote:
Originally Posted by panhead_pete View Post
Just wanted a quick shout out of thanks to Ryan et al and all those before him. Just purchased this 33 from an ad here. Stoked to say the least. Comes with a 35 motor/box/diff etc that are out of the car as the original motor, box and brakes are missing. Only planned up grade immeadiately is juice brakes. I wont have it in my own shed for a few months so plenty of time to plan but think it will just get it together and running. Thanks again.
I recommend the Bendix brakes and new drums made by MT Car products if you want to keep the wire wheels. If it were me I'd get old Ford hubs as they are much cheaper than new ones. Bendix are much superior to Ford Lockheed brakes.

With my 36 woodie I got 42 squareback spindles and put disc brakes on the front and MT bendix on the rear. Stops on a dime. ECI makes a bracket and bearing spacer to put late model Ford discs and late model chevy calipers on the squareback spindles. You have to use 40 steelie wheels however. Going disc in the front won't cost you more than going bendix.
mrtexas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2013, 06:55 PM   #29
joe plumber
Senior Member
 
joe plumber's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 736
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

I like it
joe plumber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2013, 07:35 PM   #30
40cpe
Senior Member
 
40cpe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Star, MS
Posts: 1,085
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

This is a 3 yr old thread, I'd like to see an update from panhead pete
40cpe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2013, 07:41 PM   #31
panhead_pete
Senior Member
 
panhead_pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 111
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Quote:
Originally Posted by 40cpe View Post
This is a 3 yr old thread, I'd like to see an update from panhead pete
Well yes so would I. Not much to report but now stunned to read its 3 yrs.

The chassis is all done now including right hand drive conversion, all the brakes (hydraulic) all mechanical etc etc. All ready for the body to go back on.

And that's where its at presently. A mate has it and is slowly getting to it but its taking longer than I hoped and as per usual they are never as good as they look in the pics. I have scary $ into it now and have almost flipped it a few times but would take a big loss. Need to get it back into one piece before doing that if its not going to be finsihed by me.

Im still attached to it but the '36 is taking my love, espcecially as the 33 is on the other side of the country.

Appreciate everyone's interest in it though.
__________________
Wtd for 33 5W
  • Orig interior including seat
  • Steering wheel
  • Wood kit
  • Roof insert in useable condition
For this



http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...8520&showall=1
panhead_pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2013, 03:05 AM   #32
panhead_pete
Senior Member
 
panhead_pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 111
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Now there is a coincidence - progress today

__________________
Wtd for 33 5W
  • Orig interior including seat
  • Steering wheel
  • Wood kit
  • Roof insert in useable condition
For this



http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...8520&showall=1
panhead_pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2013, 04:32 AM   #33
WRA
Senior Member
 
WRA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: South of I-10
Posts: 131
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Very nice car. Wish mine was even half as nice when I started.
WRA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2013, 10:45 AM   #34
FL&WVMIKE
Senior Member
 
FL&WVMIKE's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Daytona Beach, Fl & Spencer, W. Va,
Posts: 3,834
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

panhead pete ..................
I don't know how you beat David J. to that original '33 Coupe !
MIKE
FL&WVMIKE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2013, 11:39 AM   #35
David J
Senior Member
 
David J's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: St Croix Falls WI
Posts: 1,469
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Hey Mikey , I was only allowed to purchase one 33 5w in the fall of 2010 and I bought the SONORA CA rip-van-winkle special [ that's it in my avatar during cleanup ] at that time . Did buy it off the ads here though . On a completely different note are ya still takin names or have ya switched to kickin butt ? We rememberz the " lean mean lovin machine " thing . Or was it " lean mean fighting machine " .
Quote:
Originally Posted by FL&WVMIKE View Post
panhead pete ..................
I don't know how you beat David J. to that original '33 Coupe !
MIKE
David J is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2013, 05:16 PM   #36
panhead_pete
Senior Member
 
panhead_pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 111
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Photos can be deceiving guys, after getting it here and starting to pull it down to do it there was a lot of stuff that just wasnt right and it was a cobbled together car, not original as 1st thought. That being said the body is really good which is the main thing. I had thought about chopping it etc but it wouldnt be right in this instance so it will reamin as it should. I need to source a nice A coupe for that sort of nonsence
__________________
Wtd for 33 5W
  • Orig interior including seat
  • Steering wheel
  • Wood kit
  • Roof insert in useable condition
For this



http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...8520&showall=1
panhead_pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2013, 07:10 PM   #37
quickchange34
Senior Member
 
quickchange34's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: charlottesville, Va.
Posts: 326
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

33to 36 is the same trans. mount
quickchange34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 10:31 AM   #38
bmwillia
Senior Member
 
bmwillia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Gonzales, LA
Posts: 262
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Awesome Car man!!!

Congrats and keep us updated!
__________________
Brad Williamson
bmwillia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-16-2013, 04:51 PM   #39
Lawrie
Senior Member
 
Lawrie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Qld, Australia
Posts: 1,381
Default Re: Thank you Ford Barn - My 33

Even when they are finished and all done ,they still need work,Yesterday had the 33 and 34 out of the shed so I can work on my new caravan,went to drive the 34 back in and it only ran on 4 cyls,
Lawrie
Lawrie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:06 AM.