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Old 01-30-2012, 10:11 AM   #1
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Default 1934 Ford VIN Location & FL Title Question

I should know the answer to this (and maybe at one time I did) but please tell me where the VIN is located on my 1934 Ford 4 door Sedan. I've just moved my car to FL and inorder to register it I think I may need to apply for a Florida title. To get a title I think I'll need the VIN.

Also please explain the numbers stamped on each side of the engine (40-6049-B/40-6050-B) and the numbers on a plate screwed onto the engine just above the stamped numbers.

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Old 01-30-2012, 10:24 AM   #2
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http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...ialnumbers.htm

And look at the pictures at Van's site for a lead to where it's located. Also above the cleanout opening on the transmission.

Early Ford Serial Numbers
For Cars and Trucks Manufactured for the USA Market from 1932 to 1953



Model Year Make and Engine Passenger Car Model (note a) First Serial Number
(See note B below)
1932 V8 18 18- 001 to 18- 203,126
1933 V8 40 18- 203,127 to 18- 457,477
1934 V8 40 18- 457,478 to 18-1,234,356

1935 V8 48 18-1,234,357 to 18-2,207,110
1936 Ford V8
Linc-Zephyr V12 68
901 18-2,207,111 to 18-3,331,856
H-1 to H-15,549
1937 Ford V8 - 60hp
Ford V8 - 85hp
Linc-Zephyr V12 74
78
HB 54- 6,602 to 54- 358,334
18-3,331,857 to 18-4,186,446
H-15,550 to H-45,529
1938 Ford V8 - 60hp
Ford V8 - 85hp
Linc-Zephyr V12 82A
81A
86H 54- 358,335
18-4,186,447 to 18-4,661,000 (f)
H-45,530 to H-64,640
1939 Ford V8 - 60hp
Ford V8 - 85hp
Mercury V8 - 90hp
Linc-Zephyr V12 922A
91A
99A
96H Continued from 1938 to 54-506,500 (d)
18-4,661,001 to 18-5,210,700 (e)
99- 001 to 99-101,700
H-64,641 to H-85,640
1940 Ford V8 - 60hp
Ford V8 - 85hp
Mercury V8 - 90hp
Linc-Zephyr V12 022A
01A
09A
06H 54-0,506,501 to end (g)
18-5,210,701 to 18-5,896,294
99A-101,701 to 99A-257,100
H-85,641 to H-107,687
1941 Ford V8 - 90hp
Ford 6 - 90hp
Mercury V8 - 95hp
Linc-Zephyr V12 11A
1GA
19A
16H 18-5,896,295 to 18-6,769,035
1GA-000,001 to 1GA-034,800
99A-257,101 to 99A-466,700
H-107,688 to H-129,690
1942 Ford V8 - 90hp
Ford 6 - 90hp
Mercury V8 - 100hp
Linc-Zephyr V12 21A
2GA
29A
26H 18-6,769,036 to 18-6,925,898
1GA-034,801 to 1GA-227,523
99A-466,701 to 99A-
H-129,691 to H-136,254
1946 Ford V8 - 100hp
Ford 6 - 90hp
Mercury V8 - 100hp
Lincoln V12 69A
6GA
69M
66H 99A-650,280 to 99A-1,412,709
1GA-227,524 to 1GA- 326,417
99A-650,280 to 99A-1,412,709
H-136,255 to H-152,839 (k)
1947 Ford V8 - 100hp
Mercury V8 - 100hp
Ford 6 - 90hp (G)
Ford 6 - 90hp (H)
Lincoln V12 79A
79M
7GA
----
76H 799A-1,412,708 to 799A-2,071,117 (i)
799A-1,412,708 to 799A-2,071,117
71GA- 326,418 to 71GA- 414,366
77HA- 0,512 to 77HA- 9,038 (c)
7H-152,840 to 7H-174,289
1948 Ford V8 - 100hp
Ford 6 - 90hp
Mercury V8 - 100hp
Lincoln V12 89A
8GA
89M
899A-2,071,118 to 899A-2,374,315
87HA- 0,536 to 87HA- 073,901 (i)
899A-2,005,028 to 899A-2,374,315
8H-174,290 to 8H-
1949 Ford V8 - 100hp
Ford 6 - 95hp
Mercury V8 - 110hp 8BA
8HA
9CM 98BA-101
98HA-101
9CM -101
1950 Ford V8 - 100hp
Ford 6 - 95hp
Mercury V8 - 0BA
0HA
0CM B0-100,001 (J)
H0-100,001
50-100,001M
1951 Ford V8 - 100hp
Ford 6 - 95hp
Mercury V8 - 1BA
1HA
1CM B1-100,001 (J)
H1-100,001
51-100,001M
1952 Ford V8 - 110hp
Ford 6 - 101hp
Mercury V8 - B2
A2
(All) A2-100,001 (J)
B2-100,001
52-100,001M
1953 Ford V8 - 110hp
Ford 6 - 101hp
Mercury V8 - B3
A3
(All) A3-100,001 (J)
B3-100,001
53- 5,001H
(a) The serialization applied to trucks and commercial vehicles using these Ford engines. They may have different serial prefixes, but would be inclusive within the serial
ranges shown. In other words, passenger car totals must be combined with truck and commercial vehicles to arrive at total usage of the engine production numbers shown.

(b) The serial numbers were stamped on the vehicles without any commas or superfluous 0's (zeros). They have been shown here to help identify the general starting number.
For instance, the first 1939 Mercury would have a "99-1" stamped as its serial number (rather than 99-001as shown above).

(c) Ford changed production on October 3, 1947 from the G series to the new H series six cylinder engine. They started new serial numbers for the new engine.

(d) The available records do not show the beginning number for 1939 models with the 60hp V8 engine. According to the Early Ford V8 Club 1938-39 Ford reference book,
Ford held up production of the 60hp engine for awhile due to overstock. They stopped building the engine at #54-468,967 on December 23, 1937 and did not resume
production until April 20, 1939 with #54-476,288. "The Standard Catalog of Ford 1903-2003" gives production numbers of 38,197 coupes, 124,866 Tudors, unknown # of
Fordors, and 3,277 Station Wagons with the 60hp V8 engines. No data for trucks and commercial vehicles with 60hp V8's is given, so the total number for 1939 is unknown.

(e) According to the same EFV8 Club reference book, the first model year 1939 production V8 (85hp) was #18-4,657,660 which was built Sept. 6, 1938. This conflicts with
the "first" number listed above (a difference of 3,341 units).

(f) In the 1938 model year Ford changed from the 21 stud 85hp V8 to the 24 stud engine. The change occurred with #18-4,380,120 on November 24, 1937.

(g) Per "The Standard Catalog of Ford 1903-2003" total production of 1940 passenger vehicles with the 60hp V8 is 231,425 units (including coupes, Tudors, Fordors, & station
wagons). This does not include additional totals of 60hp engines used in trucks and commercial vehicles.

(h) For more complete Data Plate decoding information on 1949 thru 1953 Ford cars, refer to the decoding chart. Additional letters between the beginning two digits
(letter/number) and the rest of the serial number indicate the assembly plant location. Refer to the decoding chart.

(i) Letter from the Ford Motor Company to all Ford offices (dated Nov. 4, 1947): "Engine and model numbers for 1948 (Ford) cars - the lowest number used with 1948 prefixes
for six-cylinder passenger car engines is 87HA-0536. Lowest number used with 1948 prefixes for V-8 passenger car engines is 899A-1984859. Due to inventory of engines
at various assembly plants, some 1947 models will have higher numbers than the above. However, the prefix changes will definitely identify the 1948 models from the
1947 models." The serial numbering shown in the chart above reflects this numbering variance.

(j) On 1950 thru 1953 models (and beyond) any additional letters between the basic model letters and serial numbers denote the assembly plant.

(k) Production on L-Z prior to January 10, 1946 used the 1942 engines.

Other: From 1932 through 1948 vehicles, Ford Motor Company stamped the serial number into the top of the driver's side frame rail in three locations.
This same number was also stamped into the top of the transmission-to-engine housing portion of the transmission. This location was visible when the
floorboard and transmission cover plate were removed (click here for a picture example). Of the frame-stamped serial numbers, only the forward-most
stamping was visible when looking down into the engine compartment (located between the front crossmember and the dash (firewall). The two other frame
locations are visible only when the body is removed from the frame. The serial numbers were metal stamped with numbers/letters approximately 1/4" in height.

The number (including the prefixes shown) was always preceded by (and followed by) a stamped "star" similar to an asterisk. It is believed that this was
done to prevent someone from fraudulently adding a digit to the beginning or ending of a serial number in order to alter its identification. From the
Ford Service Bulletins there is a bulletin dated April 15, 1938 that refers to "Engine Numbers". The subject covers the use of the correct stamps when
reconditioned cylinder assemblies are stamped by dealers. The bulletin goes on to say that the dealers should use the K.R. Wilson number A404B stamp
set. The 1940 K.R. Wilson tool catalog shows the A404B stamp set of 11 stamps (numbers 0 thru 9 plus the "star"). The same catalog shows a new
number A404 stamp set of three (just the 6 stamp, the 9 stamp, and the I stamp). The K.R. Wilson catalog states that "The design of engine numbers
has been changed to lessen the possibility of outside individuals attempting to change engine numbers. The figures I-6-9 have been changed.
Dealers should immediately provide themselves with the new figures - One-Six-Nine. See Ford Service Bulletin, Subject No. 6000 (Engine) Page 22."



The diagram above is from the 1940 K.R. Wilson Catalog of Service Tools & Garage Equipment, and was included with the notes about the change in
stamps. The primary differences were the numbers 6 and 9, and the number 1 becoming more like a capital "i" in appearance.

On 1949 cars had a metal tag riveted to the firewall on the right (passenger side) side, very close to the right hood hinge. The serial number was also
stamped into the right-front frame rail, just back of the radiator support. On 1950 cars the number was stamped on the dash panel (firewall) under the
hood, just below the cowl, in fairly large digits. Also, in some assembly plants, the 49 style VIN tag was also riveted in the same as the 1949 cars. In
1951 the number was stamped in a plate which was mounted on the dash panel (firewall) under the hood. For early 1952 models the number was on a
plate mounted on the right front door pillar post. The late '52 through '55 models (except '55 T-Bird) had the number on a plate on the left front door pillar post.

Resources: The information given in this chart is based on the data given in "MOTOR'S AUTO REPAIR MANUAL". Two versions were referenced:
the 1935 to 48 book and the 1946 to 56 book. Also, "The 1938-39 Ford Book" published by the Early Ford V8 Club of America. Also, "The Standard
Catalog of Ford 1903-2003" published by Krause Publications. Also, the reprinted "Ford V-8 Service Bulletins (1938-1940 Complete)" published by Post
Motor Books. Also, the K. R. Wilson 1940 Catalog of Service Tools and Garage Equipment. We have found some conflicting information on serial numbers
(surprised?) but have generally used the data from the Early Ford V8 Club Album when statistics from other sources was different.

Caveat! In reviewing the various source of serial number information (and we have not even researched them all) we find that there are some discrepancies. Sometimes, the
Ford record keeping was not entirely correct. Some serial numbers within a sequence were simply never assigned to a vehicle. Other details that don't make sense prevent us some
assuming 100% reliability in these statistics. As confirmed details become available to us, we will add reference notes or make corrections as necessary.




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Old 01-30-2012, 10:25 AM   #3
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Hi Tom.

The vin should be on the drivers side frame rail. Yes you will need it to get a fl title.

I usually have a police officer come by and do a vin verification. You can download the form from your local dmv website or go in to the dmv and get one. Might take a few more days to get an available officer to come by, but this way you don't have to leave your car in a dmv parking lot.


The 40-6049 numbers are the head id numbers. Which makes these aluminum stock heads! 40- aluminum 68- iron.

Might want to check vanpelts out too. Tech drawings.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:32 AM   #4
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Thanks guys. Found the VIN. It was covered by some grease.

How about the numbers on the plate that is screwed onto the heads? Any idea what they mean (2-26-43).

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And to answer your third question the plate screwed to the engine did not come from Ford. It was probably a rebuilders tag. If it is a plate that was screwed onto the mold before the head was cast it is probably a casting date.

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tomkc1 .........................
That, probably, is not a plate, screwed to the heads. It is, most likely, a casting of what was screwed to the master mold. Do not try to unscrew it. I believe it was the date that the heads were cast.
You can either drive your car to the DMV or have a local policeman come out and verify your numbers. Make sure that they match, first !
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You can also have anyone with a NOTARY STAMP verify the number on the form. Having a police officer might take excessive time.


What should I know about VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) Verification?

When applying for a title on a motor vehicle previously registered or titled in another state, the VIN on the actual motor vehicle must be checked to ensure that the vehicle is the same as the one described on the proof of ownership.

The VIN must be physically inspected by one of the following:

A law enforcement officer from any state.
A licensed Florida or out of state motor vehicle dealer.
A county tax collector employee or Division of Motor Vehicle Compliance Examiner.
Provost Marshal or commissioned officer in active military service, with a rank of 2nd lieutenant or higher.
Form HSMV 82042, Part A may be completed and signed. The form is also available at your local tax collector's office.



PART B – VERIFICATION OF THE VEHICLE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER
This section requires a physical inspection and a verification of the vehicle identification number (VIN) (or the motor
number for motor vehicles manufactured prior to 1955) of the motor vehicle described on this form by a Licensed Dealer,
Florida Notary Public, Police Officer, or Florida Division of Motorist Services Employee or Tax Collector Employee. If an outof-state motor vehicle dealer verifies the VIN, the verification must be submitted on their letterhead stationery. Complete
this section on all used motor vehicles, including trailers, (with abbreviation of “TL” with a weight of 2,000 pounds or more)
not currently titled in Florida.

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