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Old 01-04-2012, 10:51 PM   #1
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Ford Men, as I understand it an awful lot of records were lost in a fire but does anyone have an idea as to how many 34 Roadsters were built in the US, yes they were also produced in Australia at Geelong but they have several differences like mainly wooden framework etc. Secondly does anyone have any idea as to how many remain in the US? Cheers.
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According to the V8 Album, there were 5071 deluxe roadsters built in 1934. In 1933 there were 202 standard roadsters and 4,801 deluxe roadsters built.
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I dont know what were the production totals of roadsters from Ford of Canada, but here are the Australian totals ; these must have been part of Ford Canada roadsters even though the bodies were manufactured at Geelong,Victoria. Chassis were imported [ cowls also?] & designated 'rsdstr chassis', 'coupe chassis' etc.
During 1933&'34 Ford Australia made 1038 rdstrs[ 468 in '33, 570 in '34] with same numbering sequence. This comes from NZ Classis Cars' May 2007 article on a '34 Aussie rdstr restored in NZ . Why were they different to Nth American bodies found in other countries?. Basically, the Australian govt only allowed Ford to set up its Geelong plant in 1925 so as to manufacture, not just assemble cars within Australia. Because of low production, they had to use cheaper production methods, so wood framing & floors initially, rather than metal stamping. Many of the small items were sourced within Australia. This policy gave Australia a large auto industry .
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Thanks Men for the info on the Fords, seems my 34 Plymouth Roadster of which 151 were produced and all sent to Aust in a mobile but knocked down form and from the doors back the body was completed by Holden in an effort to create an auto industry in Aus Fords were similarly treated at Geelong.
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Trevo, I think Chrysler Australia in '30's used bodies made by TJ Richards [ Vic?] Holdens mostly supplied GM Australia. There was a thriving body building industry in Australia after WW 1
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:55 AM   #6
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Thanks, I have been told it was Holden bodied the car is restored and tags long gone more research then, guess there will be descripencies with Aussie built vehicles and then we got most of our Fords from Canada and some differences again!!
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trevo was that caqr from national park many years ago trev
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The wood between the US ones and the Auzy ones are almost identical ,You can see by the photos.photo one and four are the US one and 2 & 3 the Auzy ones .The difference is the Floor were the Auzy one had wood from the front of the Rumble ricer forward .My understanding was that the Australian Govt wanted a high percentage of local content in the cars as they were imported as Knock down body's .They went to a lot of trouble to put the Wood floor in. These were US body's cut down ,fact the wood floor in picture 5 has a certain appeal .As far as values go there may not be much between them on Brizeos site you can see the US and Auzy Phat on side by side being restored .
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Ted,

The bodies were built in Australia and not from U.S. bodies with the floor partially removed. First of all, they would not have come from the U.S. as Ford Australia was a Ford of Canada subsidiary. Second, the Australian bodies do not meet up flush with the running boards at the bottom of the rocker panels, just like in your photo. The U.S. and Canadian-manufactured bodies' doors and quarter panels do meet up with the running boards which means that the quarter panels, rocker panels, and doors (and much inside those components) are not interchangeable between the Australian and North American built bodies.

Ford may have done some goofy things in those days, but with all due respect what you suggest is not one of them.

Roadster36,

Those are U.S. domestic production figures only and as a result significantly understate total world-wide production.
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David G I will grant you that they did come from Canada but were American designed body's to start with ( or the term down here is it US or Auzy )and came in as knocked down body's excluding the floor . It is often mentioned that the Australian body's have a lot of wood as if the US body's have non ,when in fact the wood is near identical except the floor .I am aware of the fact that the rockers doors and A pillar does not meet the running board , In fact it appears the Roadster body's were shortened on purpose to accommodate the floor .I own 3 of these vehicles and have other US body's side by side to compare them with .Its unlikely that Ford Australia would have done expensive tooling to stamp such a limited run of 700 cars .As far as I can tell there stamping at that stage consisted of smaller components only, but this could be open to debate . You can see very clearly on all the cowl sections were they have cut and a patch panel leaded in to change the angle of the US body's lower swag (photo attached ) .As far as the internal components)being interchangeable, there are differences on door locks and A&B pillar brackets but could be made to work on ether body.All body mesurments are the same except were the A & B pillor & doors have been shortened .

Ford may have done some goofy things in those days, but with all due respect what you suggest is not one of them.
please explain then why all the Auzy dashes have a left and right hand holes to mount the steering colume .
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Old 01-05-2012, 02:14 PM   #12
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I apologize for quoting from the V8 book. I thought I was answering his question.
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Old 01-05-2012, 02:21 PM   #13
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The Australian top bows are different from US made also.

They have an extra bend in them.

So the US made woodbows wont work.
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Old 01-05-2012, 03:54 PM   #14
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Trevo Sorry for taking over your thred ,I dont have the answer to your question ,Someone like Ed solarie might know
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Ted there is a difference in the 33 and 34,s here.
A USA and specially a NZ assembled car fetch a premium over the Aussie version .
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way to go mate you coming across the ditch trev
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Old 01-05-2012, 09:25 PM   #17
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Anyone ever see a 33-34 passenger dash that DIDN'T have both sets of steering coulmn bolt holes ? I don't recall ever seeing one . Yeah this doesn't address the "how many" thing but it was asked about above . Dunno squat bout aussie cars so izza otta hear David J
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Compare any Australian made '33 & '34 Ford to a Nth American body, especially
the Sedan , Coupe & Coupe Ute. They were manufactured at Geelong, they had the metal panel presses since the Model A era & are not 'cut' Nth American bodies.
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I recall somewhere that the Aussie roadster bodies were based on the 5 window coupe, whereas the American ones were based on the 3 window.
I saw a fabulous maroon with poppy red wheels 33/34 roadster in town earlier this week, couldn't stop to check out all the details, but it looked great!
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[QUOTE=Bick in New Zealand;338144]I recall somewhere that the Aussie roadster bodies were based on the 5 window coupe, whereas the American ones were based on the 3 window.

Hi Bick - Ford Australia based their 1935 '36 rdstr on the local 5W coupe, which is the only one they made. The canvas area is therefore somewhat longer than Nth American rdstrs. But the actual Aussie '35 '36 coupe looks much the same as US/ Canada coupes.

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For those interested:

Re Mopar BODIES built in Oz, as mentioned earlier:
Dodges were built by T J Richards {coach makers originally} in Adelaide. This arrangement was started when Dodges were imported; long before Chry was even born I think.
Chrysler & Plym bodies were built by Holden body builders {No, not a gym!! They were originally saddlers} in Adelaide also.
Ford built their plant at Geelong & GM snapped up Holden. They got a factory already in operation.
I assume Chry was not happy about this so they bought Richards. . . .

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Thank you all for the interesting replies seems some confusion exists Aussie/Canada/US. My 34 is real deal US and Bik that was my Roadster you would have spotted in Napier I alternate with my light green/dark green 34 Plymouth Roadster on weekends so they go out regularly unless its raining and roll on Art Deco weekend maybe one of us could post some pictures for our Ford Barn freinds next month.
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52 Merc, The Plymouth came to NZ in the 70s Mitchell of Mitchcrome imported it to rod it luckily it stayed in one piece and restoration started by Dave Gibson in Napier and finished off by a chap in Wanaka from whom I purchased it 5 years ago.
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That is good to know there is one here in the Bay. I remember seeing a picture of your '34 Plymouth in NZ Hot Rod Magazine when it was first imported by Dave Mitchell. he also had a very nice '34 Plymouth coupe, with a warmed up 6 in it.
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i have a 34 rdst and cabriolet that came from so. america. rh. drive, steel floors, holes for battery boxes on both sides, otherwise ,same as us made.
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i have a 34 rdst and cabriolet that came from so. america. rh. drive, steel floors, holes for battery boxes on both sides, otherwise ,same as us made.
They WERE US made. Ford US made all the RHD cars for Sth America. Far outnumbered RHD production of Ford Canada or England. Shipped from Edgewater & Sommerville Plants to Argentina, Uruquay & Paraguay. They supplied LHD to the other states of Sth America.
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So how long are your doors ??
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That's right Tom that's why they extended the rear 1/4 to make up for the short doors . Not as bad as when they made T's with a 1 door roadsters and 3 door sedans .
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hey McCready, both boxes have covers, i converted both cars to lh dr. used lh box in cab. and also the rdst. where i put hyd. brk master in that spot. my friend said they were made in canada because of the serial no.???
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Not unless the engine number prefix begins with a "C", other wise they were of U.S. manufacture (but likely assembled locally from kits sent from the U.S.)

I exported about 20 '33-'34 open cars from Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay and all were of U.S. manufacture with engine numbers beginning with either 18F or ABF or BF (the F designating the RHD characteristic).
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I never seen that , but any thing is possable . ,Because of chassis restraints there were only a few .positions for doors 3 window. Roadster.phaeton etc, We are still selling lots brake kits .
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Hey is Ted with the mechanical brake upgrade haven't put it in yet.um na a mates got roadster with the 1" welded in the front of the 1/4.
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my rdst. and cabriolet both ser# start w/18F, why would they have 2 batery boxes???
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Canadian production that was exported had two battery floor holes F, C40---------
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boo,

Because on a RHD V-8, the exhaust system was originally routed down the left side of the car, which necessitated switching the location of the battery to the right side of the car. Because all fours (LHD or RHD) had their exhaust system routed down the right side of the car, the floor pans for use on RHD chassis had to provide for both battery locations.

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Only those Canadian bodies destined for use on RHD chassis had two battery access holes; those destined for LHD (i.e. all those sold in Canada) had one battery access hole in the floor pan. This is same practice as that followed with U.S.-manufactured bodies, like boo's two examples.
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X2 on the canadian car with only the LH battery position . I have a canadian { C18P- } 34 4d that definately has it's gennie floor & it only has the LH battery hole . Other than the odd color scheme {maroon-black fenders } it is pretty much the same as my US built cars .
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