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Old 03-28-2011, 04:43 PM   #1
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Default Gear Shifter Boot (early)

At least two vendors offer a rubber boot and retainer ring reportedly for the base of the shifter for the ‘early’ vehicles. Although they make sense on bare floorboards (have not found a repro of the floor mat for left hand brake models), I have not been able to locate (as of yet) any documentation/photos suggesting these were original items. I have seen what appears to be a metal ring around carpet (i.e. closed vehicle) at the base of the gear shifter base (different from this illustration) but am curious if /when these were used on open vehicles.
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Old 03-28-2011, 04:53 PM   #2
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Default Re: Gear Shifter Boot (early)

To my knowledge, they were never used. That is a modern accessory.
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Default Re: Gear Shifter Boot (early)

It is my understanding that the gear shift boot as well as the parking brake boot were not original equiptment. Both of the boots are aftermarket.
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Old 03-28-2011, 06:12 PM   #4
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heres a picture from the first issue of the Instruction book
It clearly shows the gear shift lever and emergency brake levers
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Old 03-28-2011, 06:52 PM   #5
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Charles,

Did you look in the January 1, 1928 PPL ?

This raises the question, I have seen the tin piece for the LH e-brake, if not for
a boot, then what was it's purpose? Charles do you have one for a photo post?
I have one somewhere, but to hard to post from this computer.
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Old 03-28-2011, 08:58 PM   #6
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Default Re: Gear Shifter Boot (early)

MOT and Mr. Turley. Those pix are why i am raising the question. the 2nd manual shows a LH brake lever 'boot' (a copy-with the metal plate molded inside the rubber- of which i have) but nothing on the shifter (my initial question was intended to address the shifter). but since it has come up, any ideas as to when the LH brake lever boot was introduced? or possibly just left out by mistake in the 1st manual?

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this is the LH brake lever boot - metal ring is molded inside the rubber for stability ... not sure why just the ring is being reproduced

my question is about the presence (or lack of) of a 'boot' at the base of the shifter assembly as it passes through the floorboard. i cant find anyone reproducing the early floor mat (and no carpet on open model) so am concerned about dust/wind coming through the floorboard
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Old 03-29-2011, 09:24 AM   #8
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On our 28 Fire truck it had a boot on left hand parking brake with a 2 hole screw ring truck is all orginal nothing on shifter.Boot was so hard it fell apart when i took apart.
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Old 03-29-2011, 07:10 PM   #9
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Charles, there was a two-pieced ring that snapped together to bind the carpet around the shift tower. it was painted black. then, attached to the floor board below the carpet, was another ring, nickel plated with a rubber seal around the tower, and screwed down to the floor board.
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Gary,
I don't suppose you have a photo? When did it start and stop(production wise).

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Gary,
I don't suppose you have a photo? When did it start and stop(production wise).

Thanks, Dudley
Although my description is less the ideal, it wasn't bad for 17 years ago when I wrote it. See page 11-2 in the Standards.
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Old 03-30-2011, 07:49 AM   #12
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Hi Chuck,
I concur with the other responders that the e-brake handle absolutely had a rubber boot. My e-28 pickup when purchased had what was left of the bracket with some hard rubber molded around it.
I hope this helps,
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Old 03-30-2011, 07:27 PM   #13
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D.J. Mordigian,
Somewhere I have copies of the factory blue prints as I was going to make a set. I'll see if I can find them, scan them and post.
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Thank you,...

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Expanding my original question re: floorboard around shift tower ..
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… there was a two-pieced ring that snapped together to bind the carpet around the shift tower. it was painted black.

* From this, seems the 2-piece ring would only be found on 'carpet' (i.e. closed vehicles).
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… then, attached to the floor board below the carpet, was another ring, nickel plated with a rubber seal around the tower, and screwed down to the floor board.

* Was this unique to the carpeted vehicles (i.e. closed) or should open vehicles have this feature as well?
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Although my description is less the ideal, it wasn't bad for 17 years ago when I wrote it. See page 11-2 in the Standards.

JStandards 11-2 (1994 rev): "Some very early 1928 vehicles had a rubber seal around the gear shift housing with a metal retaining ring attached with three screws. All other cars had just a flat rubber seal tacked in place. This seal was dropped approximately June 1928, with the relocation of the emergency brake lever in front of the gear shift housing.”
* I have seen numerous original floorboards but none showed any sign of screw holes around the tower area ... assumed only the rubber floor mat snugged up close to the tower. The ‘carpet ring’ is evident in several original photos, however, does anyone have photos they can post of :
1. earliest style “rubber seal around the gear shift housing with a metal retaining ring attached with three screws.”
2. later style “flat rubber seal tacked in place”

* Germane to the topic … is anyone repro-ing the 27-28 (left hand brake) rubber floor mat?

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Old 09-04-2013, 10:48 AM   #16
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Charles,

I read 11-2, like Marco suggested. Recently reread 11-2 plus 11-1.
I think they are the same "ring" in both. I also think they were used
on all vehicles. Maybe I'm not reading this correctly!?

It would be great if Marco or Doug would comment on this....
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