KRW Combination Machine

[Chris Haynes]

I just rescued a KRW Combination Machine. Used to pour and size engine bearings. I will never use it so I guess restore it and have a nice display piece.

[700rpm]

Rent it or sell it to somebody who can use it. Babbit mechanics/craftsmen are a rare breed and we should help ‘em stay in biz.

[Chris Haynes]

Originally Posted by 700rpm

Rent it or sell it to somebody who can use it. Babbit mechanics/craftsmen are a rare breed and we should help ‘em stay in biz.

I don't know any. If you know anyone interested let me know.

[Chris Haynes]

I am trying to find any information on this machine. Factory printed material would be great. I am going to clean it up and re-paint it.

[Bob C]

Go to this link. http://www.krwilsontools.com/pages/t...nmachines.html

[Gene F]

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#2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bruce of MN]

I was at Schwalm's a few months ago and was surprised how minimal the machines were. I was expecting something twice the size.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by 700rpm

Rent it or sell it to somebody who can use it. Babbit mechanics/craftsmen are a rare breed and we should help ‘em stay in biz.

Originally Posted by Gene F

#2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ray/Gene, ... from my perspective, I think the issues with using these machines is that technology and craftsmanship expectations have surpassed these machines capabilities where a static display is about all they are good for.

Granted some machines have seen the bedplates modified to a boring bar with a cutter, but many of the bedplates were never properly lubed and so the Babbit around the bar is excessively worn to the point where making them bore accurately & cleanly is a real problem. Plus, most of the reamers are dull to the point where they need sharpening, What I have found is that finding a cylindrical grinder capable of sharpening a reamer that length is very difficult.

One other final bit about Babbitt craftsmen is, the ability to pour is where the talent is needed. Machining the casting not so much.

[Gene F]

Yeah it is the know-how. I had a motor redone, and the machinist started doing it as a hobby when her retired. Then he found out he wasn't really retired because people were constantly brining him motors to redo. I was early 50s at the time, and thought hey maybe I can do this since I want out of corporate america, and he can teach me. Nope, he already presold his equipment to a close by machine shop. Guess what, all these years later I don't think they have done even one engine.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by Gene F

Yeah it is the know-how. I had a motor redone, and the machinist started doing it as a hobby when her retired. Then he found out he wasn't really retired because people were constantly brining him motors to redo. I was early 50s at the time, and thought hey maybe I can do this since I want out of corporate america, and he can teach me. Nope, he already presold his equipment to a close by machine shop. Guess what, all these years later I don't think they have done even one engine.

That is likely. It is likely because that machine shop realized that rebuilding Model-T/A/B engines is not as profitable as doing other tasks in their machine shop.

In my own shop where we do all facets of the restoration in-house (i.e.: paint & bodywork, sheetmetal fabrication, wood work, upholstery, machining, etc.), the least profitable area of my entire shop is my Machine Shop. The reason is because of the cost of the tooling it takes to do quality work. If someone were to go purchase good quality machines (-not brand new but not worn-out machines either) to do the entire process in-house, they will easily have in excess of $150k. Compare that to the start-up costs of an upholstery shop, -or a wood shop, -or a body shop. All of these other disciplines can have start-up costs of less than ½ that amount ...and what makes it even more difficult those other areas can even charge more per manhour for their work when compared to machining. The main two reasons why we have an in-house machine shop is so I can keep my finger on QC, and because I was able to buy the tooling with the profits from the other areas of my shop.

[700rpm]

Thanks Brent. I’ll bow to your wisdom and experience. Reality is tough, though. What will happen to Model A’s & T’s when no one comes up with the skills, tools, and materials to pour babbit bearings? Will the cars themselves become static displays? No more rebuilt as original babbit engines? It won’t affect me. I’m pushing 80 and won’t be around much longer.

[johnneilson]

Ray
The Babbitt talent is already on the decline unfortunately
Inserting the motor is already done with good success and now the Burtz motor is available

But you do have a point as new people don’t rebuild or repair themselves and rely on restoration specialists

[1930artdeco]

You can call Tim McMaster who has his own machine shop in the central valley -Fresno I think. But you can find him on the web as 'the Y-block guy' he does some A engines but I don't know how much.

Mike

[Terry Burtz, Calif]

Originally Posted by 1930artdeco

You can call Tim McMaster who has his own machine shop in the central valley -Fresno I think. But you can find him on the web as 'the Y-block guy' he does some A engines but I don't know how much.

Mike

Tim McMaster is at Hanford Auto Supply, Hanford, CA (559) 584-4487 and has built several of the "New Engines" including the 2 that were incorrectly measured almost 2 years ago.

[700rpm]

Yes, the inserts will eventually be the best and/or only option for keeping our cars running. When my coupe needed a rebuild, it was early in the insert era. I was fortunate to have access to one the best babbit guys in Oregon. He stopped building shortly after that. Both my A’s are babbit, and I expect they’ll out-last me.