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Franchise_24 · 05-01-2012, 03:23 PM

Is it possible to set the timing with the timing pin by yourself, or do you normally need another person to help out?

plind · 05-01-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Franchise_24

Is it possible to set the timing with the timing pin by yourself, or do you normally need another person to help out?

Hi, No problem to do it by yourself, hold the timing pin with left hand and do the crank with right hand to the pin goes in the small hole in timinggear...

Franchise_24 · 05-01-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by plind

Hi, No problem to do it by yourself, hold the timing pin with left hand and do the crank with right hand to the pin goes in the small hole in timinggear...

Ahhh, that makes sense. My crank is a little hard to turn, anyway to make it turn easier?

fordfixer · 05-01-2012, 03:28 PM

I do it all the time by myself. Very easy, just turn the engine over until the rotor is pointing at number one. Just need to be close, Then I put the car in third gear. I then put the pin in the hole and roll the car forward or backward untill the pin hits the hole. Then I put the car in neutral and finish the job of timing.

Purdy Swoft · 05-01-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Franchise_24

Ahhh, that makes sense. My crank is a little hard to turn, anyway to make it turn easier?

Yes, Why not go ahead and remove the spark plugs????? With the spark plugs removed, the engine will be very easy to turn with the crank and it will be easier to find the mark if your not having to strain with the crank. No need to prove how strong you are, there is an easier way. While the plugs are out would be a good time to clean and check the gaps.

Franchise_24 · 05-01-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft

Yes, Why not go ahead and remove the spark plugs????? With the spark plugs removed, the engine will be very easy to turn with the crank and it will be easier to find the mark if your not having to strain with the crank. No need to prove how strong you are, there is an easier way. While the plugs are out would be a good time to clean and check the gaps.

4 new plugs and gaps checked. Thanks for the other info as well, appreciate it.

Louis · 05-01-2012, 04:26 PM

If your short like me

,.... I straddle the bumper with my left leg over the bumper outside of the bumper support close to the left frt. tire, that makes it easy to hold the pin in with your left hand and turn the crank with your rt. hand.
And like Swoft say's, pull the plugs.

jan bogert · 05-01-2012, 04:31 PM

with the plugs out you can turn it over by hand. useing the fan, or belt.

Blessyouboys · 05-01-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jan bogert

with the plugs out you can turn it over by hand. useing the fan, or belt.

I cannot begin to tell you how bad an idea it is to use the fan to turn the engine over.

Unless you really want that new radiator and hood.

Charlie Stephens · 05-01-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fordfixer

I do it all the time by myself. Very easy, just turn the engine over until the rotor is pointing at number one. Just need to be close, Then I put the car in third gear. I then put the pin in the hole and roll the car forward or backward untill the pin hits the hole. Then I put the car in neutral and finish the job of timing.

You should be rotating the engine only in the direction it normally runs to take out all of the backlash.

Cahrlie Stephens

Franchise_24 · 05-02-2012, 10:53 AM

Would poor timing cause the car to backfire or want to stall out when you try to give it gas when it is idling? Thanks!

msmaron · 05-02-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Franchise_24

Would poor timing cause the car to backfire or want to stall out when you try to give it gas when it is idling? Thanks!

YES that could be a reason, also dirt in the carb can cause backfiring. But most likely timing is the issue and make sure the points are set correctly

Purdy Swoft · 05-02-2012, 11:28 AM

Timing could be the problem. In this case there is a good chance that it is running too lean. It could be that the float is set too low and the engine is starving for fuel when you try to accelerate. You may have the GAV closed too much. When the engine is cold it will need a richer setting at the gav or it can hesitate and backfire. After warm up, most model A zenith carbs run good with the gav at 1/4 turn off the seat. I run B carbs on my roadster, I open the gav 1/2 turn off the seat (depending on the ambient temperture) until it warms up and then I run the gav closed. It will hesitate if I close the gav too quick before it has had time to warm up. Vacume leaks can be a major cause of backfire. Pot metal carbs, such as Tillotson and Marvel are famous for warping at the flange and leaking vacume. There could be a vacume leak anywhere from the carb and manifold to the windshield wiper motor if you have vacume wipers. These are the common causes to look for.

MrTube · 05-02-2012, 11:42 AM

I always use the fan to turn the engine with the plugs IN. It takes patience but it works. Removing the plugs makes it much easier obviously

If you think your fan cannot handle this stress then it doesn't belong on the engine spinning at several thousand RPM.

I use one of the newer 1 piece aluminum fans.

Fred K-OR · 05-02-2012, 06:24 PM

May also want to buy one of the timing tools the vendors sell. It helps you get the timing set a little easer. But if you are an old hand and setting the timing, then this tool may not be needed.

son of 19 · 05-02-2012, 08:26 PM

here is the way. take the pin and turn it around and put in back in the hole now take a c -clamp and put it on the timming pin and clamp it where you can. and turn the fan belt.may need to hold the fan belt to put tension on it when the timming hole comes up the c clamp will fall away and u are on the mark. if done right it always works. for me. hope this helps

Tom F OHIO · 05-02-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred K-OR

May also want to buy one of the timing tools the vendors sell. It helps you get the timing set a little easer. But if you are an old hand and setting the timing, then this tool may not be needed.

Fred, what tool are you talking about. Is it in one of the parts books????

Fred K-OR · 05-02-2012, 09:08 PM

Tom, it is the NuRex Distributor timing wrench. Just happened to have MAC's catalog and it is on page 268. But other vendors sell them also. MAC's wants $10.95 for it. Bratton's has it for $9.75 on page 158. For me, it was worth the money.

ford1 · 05-02-2012, 09:12 PM

LOL, there is a moral to this post, when ever you get ready to install a new timing gear, make sure the divot or dimple is deep enough to be felt when its installed

Kevin - Illinois · 05-02-2012, 09:18 PM

The backfiring can also be a result of a vacuum leak. Just sayin...

05-01-2012, 03:23 PM	#1
Franchise_24 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lexington, Ohio Posts: 782	Timing Is it possible to set the timing with the timing pin by yourself, or do you normally need another person to help out?

05-01-2012, 03:28 PM	#4
fordfixer Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Crete, Illinois Posts: 296	Re: Timing I do it all the time by myself. Very easy, just turn the engine over until the rotor is pointing at number one. Just need to be close, Then I put the car in third gear. I then put the pin in the hole and roll the car forward or backward untill the pin hits the hole. Then I put the car in neutral and finish the job of timing.

05-01-2012, 04:26 PM	#7
Louis Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Marietta GA. Posts: 647	Re: Timing If your short like me ,.... I straddle the bumper with my left leg over the bumper outside of the bumper support close to the left frt. tire, that makes it easy to hold the pin in with your left hand and turn the crank with your rt. hand. And like Swoft say's, pull the plugs.

05-01-2012, 04:31 PM	#8
jan bogert Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: whitehall pa. Posts: 439	Re: Timing with the plugs out you can turn it over by hand. useing the fan, or belt.

05-02-2012, 10:53 AM	#11
Franchise_24 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lexington, Ohio Posts: 782	Re: Timing Would poor timing cause the car to backfire or want to stall out when you try to give it gas when it is idling? Thanks!

05-02-2012, 11:28 AM	#13
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Timing Timing could be the problem. In this case there is a good chance that it is running too lean. It could be that the float is set too low and the engine is starving for fuel when you try to accelerate. You may have the GAV closed too much. When the engine is cold it will need a richer setting at the gav or it can hesitate and backfire. After warm up, most model A zenith carbs run good with the gav at 1/4 turn off the seat. I run B carbs on my roadster, I open the gav 1/2 turn off the seat (depending on the ambient temperture) until it warms up and then I run the gav closed. It will hesitate if I close the gav too quick before it has had time to warm up. Vacume leaks can be a major cause of backfire. Pot metal carbs, such as Tillotson and Marvel are famous for warping at the flange and leaking vacume. There could be a vacume leak anywhere from the carb and manifold to the windshield wiper motor if you have vacume wipers. These are the common causes to look for.

05-02-2012, 11:42 AM	#14
MrTube Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,471	Re: Timing I always use the fan to turn the engine with the plugs IN. It takes patience but it works. Removing the plugs makes it much easier obviously If you think your fan cannot handle this stress then it doesn't belong on the engine spinning at several thousand RPM. I use one of the newer 1 piece aluminum fans.

05-02-2012, 06:24 PM	#15
Fred K-OR Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Stayton, Oregon Posts: 3,806	Re: Timing May also want to buy one of the timing tools the vendors sell. It helps you get the timing set a little easer. But if you are an old hand and setting the timing, then this tool may not be needed. __________________ Fred Kroon 1929 Std Coupe 1929 Huckster

05-02-2012, 08:26 PM	#16
son of 19 Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 22	Re: Timing here is the way. take the pin and turn it around and put in back in the hole now take a c -clamp and put it on the timming pin and clamp it where you can. and turn the fan belt.may need to hold the fan belt to put tension on it when the timming hole comes up the c clamp will fall away and u are on the mark. if done right it always works. for me. hope this helps

05-02-2012, 09:08 PM	#18
Fred K-OR Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Stayton, Oregon Posts: 3,806	Re: Timing Tom, it is the NuRex Distributor timing wrench. Just happened to have MAC's catalog and it is on page 268. But other vendors sell them also. MAC's wants $10.95 for it. Bratton's has it for $9.75 on page 158. For me, it was worth the money. __________________ Fred Kroon 1929 Std Coupe 1929 Huckster

05-02-2012, 09:12 PM	#19
ford1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: oroville ca. Posts: 1,554	Re: Timing LOL, there is a moral to this post, when ever you get ready to install a new timing gear, make sure the divot or dimple is deep enough to be felt when its installed

05-02-2012, 09:18 PM	#20
Kevin - Illinois Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ottawa, Illinois Posts: 401	Re: Timing The backfiring can also be a result of a vacuum leak. Just sayin...