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Old 11-26-2013, 10:03 PM   #1
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Hey guys new guy here. Been in the model a hobby for 8 years now. I recently bought a flip top jack and after receiving it I realized it said on the side it was made by Ajax but according to the judging standards it says that walker made those jacks, does anyone have any insight on these jacks? Here is a picture of the one I boughtimage.jpg
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:40 PM   #2
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try this link to the MAFCA website for tools jacks

http://www.mafca.com/tqa_jacks.html
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:10 AM   #3
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Yea I've looked at those jacks on the MAFCA page and it basically says the same thing that the judging standards say but I've heard it's not always correct. Just wondered since mine is made by Ajax if its still a model a jack?
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Also how do I post a picture of my car on the left side like y'all do when you post stuff, it's like a photo signature or something?
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Old 11-27-2013, 10:28 AM   #5
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Also how do I post a picture of my car on the left side like y'all do when you post stuff, it's like a photo signature or something?
Go to "USER CP" near the top left of this page. On the left you'll see "Edit Avatar"

There you go.
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Old 11-27-2013, 01:04 PM   #6
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Old 11-27-2013, 01:35 PM   #7
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Have a simple question about these types of jacks. I think I have a couple of them around but when I tried to use them, they were no where near high enough to get under the axle and lift the car. What am I doing wrong? Do you need to carry a block of wood along to put them on or something????
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:39 AM   #8
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Jack N and S 1.jpgJack N and S 2.jpg
Noblitt and Sparks also made the Model T and Model A flip top jacks.
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Old 11-29-2013, 12:13 PM   #9
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That one doesn't have the hole in the flip top so that one may be model t according to judging standards. Mine has the hole in it just as the walker does which is correct for model a but I guess my biggest question is, is the Ajax acceptable for model a or is the walker the only acceptable model a flip top jack according to judging standards?
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Old 11-29-2013, 12:39 PM   #10
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Check the judging standards. If not listed there then it is for another car.
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really ,
the best way is to go to the ford archives and get the blueprint and the engineering releases
that way there will be no doubt
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ill try and help a a little better
the jack is part number A-17080
and the handle is A-17081
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ill try and help a a little better
the jack is part number A-17080
and the handle is A-17081
Okay,....now I'm confused, Walker or Ajax..or both, the books show Walker.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:32 PM   #14
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Okay,....now I'm confused, Walker or Ajax..or both, the books show Walker.
Based on the restoration standards 17-2;

The A-17080 jack made by Walker, was I ratchet type
with a folding 2” top extension and was 10- 1/4" total
height. It was a "carry over" from the Model T Ford
style and was discontinued as a Model A jack about
September 1928. The extension has a 7/16" diameter
hole in each side (unlike the Model T jack which had
no hole) The handle (A-11081) was also a "carry
over” from the Model T. It was made of 1/4" flat steel,
7./8" wide and 16" long. It had a tire iron curve on one
end and a round hole in the other, which lined up with
the hole in the jack sleeve when in use. The handle
was painted black.


It appears that walker was the only one to make 17080 Model A jacks supplied by Ford.
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There are Model T jacks out there where someone drilled the holes in the extension to make the jack appear to be the more desirable Model A jack.
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For Ford Barn 2.pdf
Open the above for more information.
I worked for a company Arvin Industries (was formerly Noblitt and Sparks) that was a tear 1 supplier for Ford Mufflers. We did build the Model A muffler. When we were NS we built tire pumps, hub caps, brake levers, radiator outlet tubes, heaters, mirrors and jacks for the Model A. We had what was called running changes and the prints would not get changed. These running changes would get what was called a deviation. We could produce the product although it was not to part print for so many days. So part prints are not always up to date per production parts deviations. The deviations would not go into the level change box on part prints. Today Ford, Chrysler and General Motors use the same deviation. The deviations today has all three logos on the top header of the deviation.
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Wow Ronnie, that's a lot of really cool information.
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