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Old 11-23-2014, 12:13 PM   #1
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Default '35 / '36 restore

Have an early ford pickup looking to restore but need some direction. The serial number indicates its a 1936 (*18-2915007*), saw somewhere that #3 million rolled off in June of '36, so if I'm right this is a '36 ford ... however, body is that of a '35, based on hood badge location, bumper/fender set up, and cowl ... The pick up is supposedly original, so body wasn't placed on frame. Read somewhere that in '36 a number of pickups were outfitted with '35 bodies ... but which would be the best way to restore ...as a '35 or '36, looking at details for bumper, wheels, etc. Thanks
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Old 11-23-2014, 12:26 PM   #2
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In the model A years, Ford definitely used up out of date parts on the commercial lines, particularly noticeable in 1928 when they changed the brake system radically. See no reason why the same philosophy didn't continue, so it's pretty well your option depending on the clues you have from what you have on the car. Might get interesting if you want to put it into fine-point judging, of course.
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Old 11-23-2014, 12:37 PM   #3
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Don't understand "Pickup is supposedly original so body wasn't placed on frame...." ??
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Old 11-23-2014, 01:01 PM   #4
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Are you taking the serial number off of the engine or the frame? When the vehicle was assembled, the frame was stamped with the serial number of the engine. According to the Swanberg and Rogers, 1935-36 Ford Book, your engine was built in April 1936. If the frame has the same number, the earliest that the car could have been assembled would be April 1936. It is possible that the 1935 body parts were left-over stock from the previous year, but April or later seems rather late in the year for that. A more like explanation is that someone put a later engine in your truck. Check the number on the frame, if you haven't done so already.

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Old 11-23-2014, 01:16 PM   #5
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Ford did not use engine numbers. The serial number was stamped on the frame and on the raised boss on the transmission bell housing.
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Old 11-23-2014, 02:23 PM   #6
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How about some pictures of your project. Right now we are all shooting in the dark. I also agree that the number on the frame near the steering box will give the most accurate indication of when the vehicle was made.
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Old 11-23-2014, 02:37 PM   #7
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If that were mine and the cab was a 1935, (no radius at cowl, removable window frames etc) I would certainly do it up as a 35. Wire spoke wheels alone look sharp as opposed to the wide rims to me at least.
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Old 11-23-2014, 02:55 PM   #8
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Hi mjjones, Welcome to the FordBarn Forums,

I'm with Don R, we need a whole bunch of photos please.

I'd also second the idea that the car number is placed several places on the frame, and on the transmission.

My opinion is that it would be very rare to fine one of these vehicles without a back-story including a goodly amount of parts being changed.

Imagine if it changed hands once each ten years then it's had seven or more owners. Each one had a different idea about what they wanted out of the truck.

While you're thinking about that, here's a thread where I posted 30+ 1936 commercial (pickup) photos. Maybe they'll help you compare.
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139629
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Old 11-23-2014, 03:04 PM   #9
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I just mean that I don't believe someone took the '36 frame and outfitted it with their own parts ... the former owner said it had been in their family "forever" and they really hadn't done anything to it other than regular wear and tear, so I am assuming that everything there is original.
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Old 11-23-2014, 03:32 PM   #10
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1935 and 1936 were transition years at Ford, with lots of "running changes" . This makes restoration of those years tricky. That is why you may find parts for both years combined.
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Old 11-23-2014, 03:46 PM   #11
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http://mjjones5.wix.com/1935

Posted several photos of the pickup ... pretty rough shape right now, but trying to do research before digging into it. The serial # is off of the frame as you can see in one of the pictures ... I thought it was an early spring build by ford, but confused on the body ... thanks for all the input, I'm new to this and just getting started, so I do appreciate the help.

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Old 11-23-2014, 03:47 PM   #12
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I'm of the same mind, with a '35 body I would rather restore that direction ... will make a difference on the engine I think, right now I don't have one for it so want to try and put the right one in.
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Old 11-23-2014, 04:07 PM   #13
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mjjones. From the photos, its seems like you have a mis mash of parts making up your truck. The headlights are incorrect for either year (might be passenger car) the front bumper is not 35 or 36. the hood and doors are definitely 35 (doors early 35), while the fenders appear to be 36 or later (open bumper bracket holes) The wheels appear to be neither 35 or 36. The cab could be late 35 or 36 from the sharp angle that the winshield makes with the cowl.

In conclusion, I would carefully examine all parts as I disassembled the truck and determine what you have. Ford would never have assembled this truck with such a variety of parts. A lot has been done to this vehicle over time to keep it running.
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Old 11-23-2014, 04:12 PM   #14
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That helps, thanks ... definitely a project!
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Old 11-23-2014, 04:24 PM   #15
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The grille is 1936.
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Old 11-23-2014, 09:40 PM   #16
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welcome to the 'Barn......now you're having fun,eh??...looks like a project....have fun....Mike
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Old 11-23-2014, 10:18 PM   #17
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Welcome to the Barn.
I like your truck, what ever you end up calling it.
Buy a running flathead engine and drive it.
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Old 11-23-2014, 10:36 PM   #18
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On my previous reply I said " The cab could be late 35 or 36 from the sharp angle that the winshield makes with the cowl." That was incorrect........The cab is early 35 and I agree with NOS partsman that the grille looks like 36.
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