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JBohannon · 09-17-2014, 07:56 PM

After setting up for a couple of months my Model A engine has froze up. When I last drove it I thought it was fine. When I say froze it will not start and even when I pull it and engage clutch the wheels still wont turn. Anyone got any ideas. Thanks, Joe Bohannon.

Bob C · 09-17-2014, 08:06 PM

Starter stuck??

Bob

d.j. moordigian · 09-17-2014, 08:08 PM

Uhhh,.......how much water in the radiator?

Ross/Kzoo · 09-17-2014, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob C

Starter stuck??

Bob

That's my guess also.

JBohannon · 09-17-2014, 08:21 PM

I thought I had a bad starter so i bought a rebuilt one it tries to turn it but cannot. The only thing I did different the last drive was to not cut the gas valve to off position.

J Franklin · 09-17-2014, 08:28 PM

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Setting a few months after operating an engine will not cause it to get stuck. remove the plugs and take a look, spray some lube in & then try to turn it over with the plugs out.

Charlie Stephens · 09-17-2014, 09:19 PM

My guess is a cylinder full of water but other guesses are equally valid. Have you removed the plugs and tried turning it? Pulling (I assume you mean with a car) it and engaging the clutch is a good way to bend a rod.

Charlie Stephens

JBohannon · 09-17-2014, 10:14 PM

I have all plugs out and see no water. i have put in some lubricant. Still stuck.

Charlie Stephens · 09-17-2014, 10:41 PM

Take the starter off and see if you can turn the engine with the crank. If you use a bolt for the starter that is too long you can jam it into the flywheel and lock things up. This also eliminates the possibility of a jammed Bendix gear.

Charlie Stephens

hardtimes · 09-17-2014, 11:19 PM

Hey J,
How long ago was it that you started engine and for how long run ?
Have you checked the dip stick to see what it shows, i.e.- oil, NO oil, water in oil, lots of water. Was there water in engine(checked) last time you started engine? Have to do process of elimination...from afar,eh ! So, what I would start with investigation if there. WHAT condition is battery and connections ? Is clutch disengaging ?

BTW..leaving gas valve on, as you state, is not liable to stop an engine from turning over. However, an engine without sufficient oil and water when run....can overheat and seize. Broken/bent engine internals will prevent turn over. Tell us condition of engine, if known, rebuilt, original, untouched...what ???

Brentwood Bob · 09-18-2014, 11:26 PM

bad starter switch? bob

CarlG · 09-18-2014, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colin1928

Transmission locked in 2 gears ?

Pushing the clutch in would disconnect the tranny, wouldn't it?

1931 flamingo · 09-19-2014, 08:35 AM

Remove the bolts from the starter OR back them out 2-3 turns and see if it will turn over with the hand crank. FWIW

Paul in CT

jerry tocci · 09-19-2014, 09:10 AM

Some one could have dropped a wishbone bolt in the housing and it finally
worked it's way to the flywheel.

JBohannon · 09-21-2014, 03:18 PM

1931 Flamingo. "It worked" I took out the top 2 bolts of starter and it turns over just fine. It appears the end of at least one of the bolts has been rubbing against flywheel. Do you think I have done anymore damage. What caused this ? Thanks everyone for input. Joe Bohannon

BILL WILLIAMSON · 09-21-2014, 07:39 PM

MANY "BIG" problems end up being something simple. It always seems more perplexing when it happens to YOUR car,---"WHY GOD? WHY ME? WHUT DID I DO WRONG"?---------And the list goes on!---Sound familiar to anyone?? The Dog might say, "It wuzn't me thet screwed it up, I got NO THUMBS"-----"And it wuzn't me thet hid yo' HOOD, it wuz Gregg thet put it under the back bed"!
Bill W.

09-17-2014, 07:56 PM	#1
JBohannon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 180	Model A Engine froze After setting up for a couple of months my Model A engine has froze up. When I last drove it I thought it was fine. When I say froze it will not start and even when I pull it and engage clutch the wheels still wont turn. Anyone got any ideas. Thanks, Joe Bohannon.

09-17-2014, 08:06 PM	#2
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,754	Re: Model A Engine froze Starter stuck?? Bob

09-17-2014, 08:08 PM	#3
d.j. moordigian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fresno, Ca. Posts: 3,636	Re: Model A Engine froze Uhhh,.......how much water in the radiator?

09-17-2014, 08:21 PM	#5
JBohannon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 180	Re: Model A Engine froze I thought I had a bad starter so i bought a rebuilt one it tries to turn it but cannot. The only thing I did different the last drive was to not cut the gas valve to off position.

09-17-2014, 08:28 PM	#6
J Franklin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,963	Re: Model A Engine froze Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Setting a few months after operating an engine will not cause it to get stuck. remove the plugs and take a look, spray some lube in & then try to turn it over with the plugs out.

09-17-2014, 09:19 PM	#7
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,033	Re: Model A Engine froze My guess is a cylinder full of water but other guesses are equally valid. Have you removed the plugs and tried turning it? Pulling (I assume you mean with a car) it and engaging the clutch is a good way to bend a rod. Charlie Stephens Last edited by Charlie Stephens; 09-17-2014 at 10:12 PM.

09-17-2014, 10:14 PM	#8
JBohannon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 180	Re: Model A Engine froze I have all plugs out and see no water. i have put in some lubricant. Still stuck.

09-17-2014, 10:41 PM	#9
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,033	Re: Model A Engine froze Take the starter off and see if you can turn the engine with the crank. If you use a bolt for the starter that is too long you can jam it into the flywheel and lock things up. This also eliminates the possibility of a jammed Bendix gear. Charlie Stephens

09-17-2014, 11:19 PM	#10
hardtimes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South California Posts: 6,188	Re: Model A Engine froze Hey J, How long ago was it that you started engine and for how long run ? Have you checked the dip stick to see what it shows, i.e.- oil, NO oil, water in oil, lots of water. Was there water in engine(checked) last time you started engine? Have to do process of elimination...from afar,eh ! So, what I would start with investigation if there. WHAT condition is battery and connections ? Is clutch disengaging ? BTW..leaving gas valve on, as you state, is not liable to stop an engine from turning over. However, an engine without sufficient oil and water when run....can overheat and seize. Broken/bent engine internals will prevent turn over. Tell us condition of engine, if known, rebuilt, original, untouched...what ???

09-18-2014, 11:26 PM	#11
Brentwood Bob Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: brentwood, ca Posts: 4,246	Re: Model A Engine froze bad starter switch? bob

09-19-2014, 08:35 AM	#13
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,390	Re: Model A Engine froze Remove the bolts from the starter OR back them out 2-3 turns and see if it will turn over with the hand crank. FWIW Paul in CT

09-19-2014, 09:10 AM	#14
jerry tocci Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 70	Re: Model A Engine froze Some one could have dropped a wishbone bolt in the housing and it finally worked it's way to the flywheel.

09-21-2014, 03:18 PM	#15
JBohannon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 180	Re: Model A Engine froze 1931 Flamingo. "It worked" I took out the top 2 bolts of starter and it turns over just fine. It appears the end of at least one of the bolts has been rubbing against flywheel. Do you think I have done anymore damage. What caused this ? Thanks everyone for input. Joe Bohannon

09-21-2014, 07:39 PM	#16
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Model A Engine froze MANY "BIG" problems end up being something simple. It always seems more perplexing when it happens to YOUR car,---"WHY GOD? WHY ME? WHUT DID I DO WRONG"?---------And the list goes on!---Sound familiar to anyone?? The Dog might say, "It wuzn't me thet screwed it up, I got NO THUMBS"-----"And it wuzn't me thet hid yo' HOOD, it wuz Gregg thet put it under the back bed"! Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"