Man, I got dirty just thinking about this engine.

[Heard]

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Waiting on parts for my coupe, I thought I'd go ahead and start digging into this 8ba to see if the block is any good. It is WAY greasy which I think is better than being WAY rusty.

It isn't frozen up but that one head doesn't look so good does it?

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I can't see any obvious cracks but that doesn't mean much coming from me. We'll see....
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I don't know who came up with the idea of welding a washer on the broken studs and then welding a nut onto the washer, but that worked great! I had 10 broken studs on this block. 3 or 4 were broken before I got it and then I broke some. I'm a slow learner....but all of the studs are out now.

[ford38v8]

I don't know, but I found it at fordgarage.com a few years back.

http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/studremoval.htm

[Barry-ct]

I've seen worse, but that one is definitely DIRTY!

[texas webb]

Originally Posted by ford38v8

I don't know, but I found it at fordgarage.com a few years back.

http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/studremoval.htm

Alan,ain't fordgarage a neat site.I've found lots of good&useful info there.
Webb.

[Binx]

Looks like maybe a '49-'50 car motor with the early valve springs and retainers. Head studs are interesting too but not unheard of. Solid lifters hint that it may have never been rebuilt unless Walt got hold of it back in the day.

Lonnie

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[40cpe]

check the pan rail and inner water jackets before putting too much labor into it.

[ford38v8]

Originally Posted by texas webb

Alan,ain't fordgarage a neat site.I've found lots of good&useful info there.
Webb.

Yeah, but not too much beyond the Model A's.

[Brian]

Heard, I hope it's [the block] worth it. Those dirty greasy flatheads have a smell, don't they? Gets right into the pores of your skin, under your nails, in ya hair....
Joe Bloggs public, in their modern shitboxes, can never perceive what we willingly go through. Have fun.

[lecktrix]

Thats a Pennzoil killed block... Lots of people dedicated everything they had to one motor oil, and when you open up a true Pennzoil users motor, this is what it looks like. It was a wax based motor oil, and as you can see, this is what it did. Look it up further on any site.. Pennz helped motors, but totally gunked them up.... Sure in the later years it was different and detergent... but look at early posts about original engines destroyed by gunk, and took three days in the hot tank to clean

[lecktrix]

I just recieved four 1941 engines from a local mine that was a religious pennzoil user... Anything inside that I touched stained my skin black... I had my grease monkey use my craftsman tools to take it apart... yes im a prick when it comes to my Snap On tools, since im the geek that likes the orange and green tools they offer... We are still cleaning up from the teardowns... nasty pennzoil waxy, black crap

[2935ford]

Isn't this the way they all are?
Here's my Canadian 59A block.

[Heard]

Originally Posted by Brian

Those dirty greasy flatheads have a smell, don't they? Gets right into the pores of your skin, under your nails, in ya hair....
Have fun.

Brian, you are right on...the smell....I don't even know how to describe it. It's really strong.

Lonnie - I don't know if this one was ever rebuilt or not. It does have the standard bore which is good.

[Walt Dupont--Me.]

Originally Posted by Binx

Looks like maybe a '49-'50 car motor with the early valve springs and retainers. Head studs are interesting too but not unheard of. Solid lifters hint that it may have never been rebuilt unless Walt got hold of it back in the day.

Lonnie

The first 8BA engines in the 48 trucks had studs instead of cap screws, they also did not have a bushing in fuel pump push rod hole. They also had a 1/8 pipe plug in the back where they bored a small hole in to the main oil line to piss oil onto the push rod. Up here when we stripped a gunked up engine like that we always said they used Quaker State oil. Walt

[Cecil/WV]

I don't think Pennzoil had a monopoly on gunk in an engine. It has more to do with non detergent and lack of maintenance.

[JSeery]

I ran Pennzoil in the 1960s and early 70s because of all the racer hype. Had an uncle in the oil business that told me how bad it was, he claimed because of high sulfur content. It had to do with the type of oil that was used to manufacture it. When we started tearing down some of those engines they were a mess. I have never seen any other oil create the mess Pennzoil did, it was really bad, almost like a thick tar coating inside the engines. Made a believer out of me, stopped using Pennzoil and the problem went a way. All older engines are a bit messy inside when you tear them down but a Pennzoil engine is in a league of it own!

[Russ/40]

Originally Posted by 2935ford

Isn't this the way they all are?
Here's my Canadian 59A block.

Ill take the greasy one over the rusty one any day!

[Heard]

Originally Posted by Walt Dupont--Me.

The first 8BA engines in the 48 trucks had studs instead of cap screws, they also did not have a bushing in fuel pump push rod hole. They also had a 1/8 pipe plug in the back where they bored a small hole in to the main oil line to piss oil onto the push rod. Up here when we stripped a gunked up engine like that we always said they used Quaker State oil. Walt

I mis-stated that earlier. I said it had 10 broken 'studs'. They were actually head bolts or what I think you are (properly) calling cap screws. The welded washer/nut trick worked great, though.

[JSeery]

Originally Posted by Walt Dupont--Me.

The first 8BA engines in the 48 trucks had studs instead of cap screws, they also did not have a bushing in fuel pump push rod hole. They also had a 1/8 pipe plug in the back where they bored a small hole in to the main oil line to piss oil onto the push rod. Up here when we stripped a gunked up engine like that we always said they used Quaker State oil. Walt

My current engine came out of a 48 Truck and it's a 59a, any idea when they switched to the later model engine? On the oil issue, don't think it had so much to do with Pennzoil as it did with the oil used to manufacture it. It was the Pennsylvania oil that was the problem. I was told it was a high sulfur oil and that caused the issue.

[Tim Ayers]

Think of as rust preventer. It sure makes a mess, but no way is rust getting to those surfaces.