The Ford Barn

Vic Piano · 07-14-2014, 05:49 AM

Chuck, you know Mike, he's always first to get his hands in Ford grease...

As usual, we all pitch in but, someone has to document the fun on film, or else, no photos...

Vic Piano · 07-16-2014, 07:35 AM

I have been so pleased with the electric fuel pump conversion I did on the '39 CS, using the OEM pump that Marv converted to a "pass through", that I've decided to install the same set up in the '39 LZ.

Yesterday I picked up all the components, and a few weeks ago I converted an OEM fuel pump to the "pass through" configuration. If I can achieve the same results with the Zephyr as I have with the CS, I'll be a happy camper!

I have not had any Vapor Lock issues at all with the '39 CS after installing this set up and, as an added bonus, with constant fuel pressure, the overall performance of the '39 CS has improved.

sidevalve8ba · 07-16-2014, 07:57 AM

Vic,

Did you use any sort of pressure regulator with your electric fuel pump installation? Which pump did you use?

Thanks

TomT/Williamsburg · 07-16-2014, 08:04 AM

I can't remember what type of electric fuel pump(s) you are using but they do not last forever. Make sure you install them in an easy location with plug style connectors and such for easy "roadside" repairs. I am still using the mechanical pumps in my cars but I also have an electric pump for start-up and emergencies as you know. Also, at every fill-up, I put a cap full of Yamalube. Boaters use this stuff to keep their rings free and to combat the effects of ethanol in the gas. Their engines sit for long periods between uses (as do ours drom time to time) and a few boating friends I know swear by this stuff. So far it has been very cheap insurance and does its job very well. If you are not interested in the "ring free" properties, Startron is another product that will work just for the ethanol issues we all know and love.

One thing I would like to say - I have never had any vapor lock issues anywhere else but Florida. LOL!

Vic Piano · 07-16-2014, 08:45 AM

Sidevalve8ba, I'm using an Airtex 12 volt, low pressure, 2 - 4 Lbs. electric fuel pump (sorry, I don't have the part # handy) on the Zephyr with a Mr. Gasket fuel pressure regulator #9710, (set at 2.5 Lbs.) I also install an additional fuel filter between the gas tank and the electric pump, I'm using a Mr. Gasket filter #9746. I have this same set up on our '51 F-1 & '47 Convertible. The '39 CS is still 6 volt positive ground so I use the same pump in a 6 volt version. When using the 6 volt pump you need to reverse the wires, making the pump ground wire the "hot" wire for a positive ground system. Additionally, I install a "kill switch" for the pump under the dash or in another convenient, easy to reach place.

Tom, I seldom had Vapor Lock issues when I lived up North however that was also before that started contaminating gas with "corn"! Here in Florida, as you know, the warm temps combined with the "Corn" gas, make a perfect scenario for the introduction of Vapor Lock... Apparently, I have successfully vanquished Vapor Lock with the aforementioned modifications.
As added insurance, I also carry an OEM style fuel pump in each of the vehicles I've converted. Yes, I leave the push rod in each, just incase...

Vic Piano · 07-21-2014, 06:10 AM

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This past weekend we were messin' with Flatheads in my garage and we inducted a new member into the Cigar City Flatheads, she is the first member of the feminine persuasion and the daughter of one of the group. Angie is 15 years old and interested in learning about cars in general and old cars in particular... What better place to learn about old cars, from old guys... LOL I took some photos with my "new" phone but can't figure out how to load them into the computer yet...? Guess I should stick with 70 year old technology...

BILL WZOREK · 07-21-2014, 06:21 AM

Vic:
Hand off the phone to Angie, Pictures will be posted in a hart beat, LOL

Vic Piano · 07-21-2014, 06:53 AM

You got that right Bill!!!

Steves46 · 07-21-2014, 07:20 AM

Sorry to have missed the fun. How's Don's car coming along?

Vic Piano · 07-21-2014, 07:34 AM

One step forward... two steps backwards... You know how that goes...

Vic Piano · 07-24-2014, 06:02 AM

A question about wiring?

When did Ford go from cloth covered wiring harnesses to the black tape covering? I'm thinking it was for the '49 model year, but would like to confirm that. Thanks.

JSeery · 07-24-2014, 08:41 AM

On the trucks they were still using it on the F1s, somewhere around 56 they switched. I can check if you are interested in the specific year. I am using F1 53 wiring style for a guide on my 33 5 window, and the 53 is still cloth wiring. Noticed the fuel pressure regulator you were using. There have been a lot of issues with that regulator, might keep an eye on it, leaks and improper pressure regulation. I always liked the Holley 12-804.

JSeery · 07-24-2014, 08:55 AM

Looks like after 48 they were still using cloth wiring but started using a mixture of cloth and tape looms. In the pickups the wiring switched to plastic in 56 and with tape looms.

Vic Piano · 07-24-2014, 09:07 AM

Thanks JSeery, my '51 F-1 has a combination of tape and cloth and my '53 Convertible has tape, as does our '53 F-100 Panel. The reason I'm asking is, my friend Don got a '50 Convertible and most, if not all, the original wiring had been removed by a previous owner...

JSeery · 07-24-2014, 09:16 AM

Several suppliers sell original type wiring harnesses, if you can stand the price!

Vic Piano · 07-24-2014, 10:26 AM

Thankfully, this isn't my car. I have gotten OEM style wiring harnesses for several of our cars, from places like Rhode Island wiring, Dennis Carpenter, Bob Drake and Tyree Harris. All have been excellent quality, and all are close in price. I'm not sure if Don wants to go with a stock looking harness for his '50 or a new style replacement harness...

ora masters · 07-25-2014, 01:20 AM

thanks vic it is 1 15 am in MO iAM GOEING TO BED

Vic Piano · 07-25-2014, 08:26 AM

Ora, sleep tight and pleasant dreams.

Vic Piano · 07-31-2014, 09:18 AM

I've been away from the garage for almost two weeks so, I'm looking forward to getting back to playing with Flatheads this Saturday. Hopefully we'll be able to tie up some more loose ends on Don's '50 Rag Top, and get the headlights, taillights, ignition, etc., hooked up and installed in the Zephyr...

Vic Piano · 08-03-2014, 02:34 PM

We spent some time yesterday working on Don's '50 Ford Convertible, here are a few photos; the first one is of Mike & Don with the '50. After messin' with Don's car, we drove my '39 CS (2nd photo) to Keith's garage (last photo) to see some of his, and his Dad's, cars. I got all the components for the electric fuel pump mounted on the rear cross member of the Zephyr as well. Another fun day with Flatheads.

07-14-2014, 05:49 AM	#1661
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Chuck, you know Mike, he's always first to get his hands in Ford grease... As usual, we all pitch in but, someone has to document the fun on film, or else, no photos... __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

07-16-2014, 07:35 AM	#1662
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour I have been so pleased with the electric fuel pump conversion I did on the '39 CS, using the OEM pump that Marv converted to a "pass through", that I've decided to install the same set up in the '39 LZ. Yesterday I picked up all the components, and a few weeks ago I converted an OEM fuel pump to the "pass through" configuration. If I can achieve the same results with the Zephyr as I have with the CS, I'll be a happy camper! I have not had any Vapor Lock issues at all with the '39 CS after installing this set up and, as an added bonus, with constant fuel pressure, the overall performance of the '39 CS has improved. __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

07-16-2014, 07:57 AM	#1663
sidevalve8ba Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Harrisonburg, VA Posts: 842	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Vic, Did you use any sort of pressure regulator with your electric fuel pump installation? Which pump did you use? Thanks

07-16-2014, 08:04 AM	#1664
TomT/Williamsburg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Williamsburg, Virginia Posts: 2,654	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour I can't remember what type of electric fuel pump(s) you are using but they do not last forever. Make sure you install them in an easy location with plug style connectors and such for easy "roadside" repairs. I am still using the mechanical pumps in my cars but I also have an electric pump for start-up and emergencies as you know. Also, at every fill-up, I put a cap full of Yamalube. Boaters use this stuff to keep their rings free and to combat the effects of ethanol in the gas. Their engines sit for long periods between uses (as do ours drom time to time) and a few boating friends I know swear by this stuff. So far it has been very cheap insurance and does its job very well. If you are not interested in the "ring free" properties, Startron is another product that will work just for the ethanol issues we all know and love. One thing I would like to say - I have never had any vapor lock issues anywhere else but Florida. LOL!

07-16-2014, 08:45 AM	#1665
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Sidevalve8ba, I'm using an Airtex 12 volt, low pressure, 2 - 4 Lbs. electric fuel pump (sorry, I don't have the part # handy) on the Zephyr with a Mr. Gasket fuel pressure regulator #9710, (set at 2.5 Lbs.) I also install an additional fuel filter between the gas tank and the electric pump, I'm using a Mr. Gasket filter #9746. I have this same set up on our '51 F-1 & '47 Convertible. The '39 CS is still 6 volt positive ground so I use the same pump in a 6 volt version. When using the 6 volt pump you need to reverse the wires, making the pump ground wire the "hot" wire for a positive ground system. Additionally, I install a "kill switch" for the pump under the dash or in another convenient, easy to reach place. Tom, I seldom had Vapor Lock issues when I lived up North however that was also before that started contaminating gas with "corn"! Here in Florida, as you know, the warm temps combined with the "Corn" gas, make a perfect scenario for the introduction of Vapor Lock... Apparently, I have successfully vanquished Vapor Lock with the aforementioned modifications. As added insurance, I also carry an OEM style fuel pump in each of the vehicles I've converted. Yes, I leave the push rod in each, just incase... __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

07-21-2014, 06:10 AM	#1666
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) This past weekend we were messin' with Flatheads in my garage and we inducted a new member into the Cigar City Flatheads, she is the first member of the feminine persuasion and the daughter of one of the group. Angie is 15 years old and interested in learning about cars in general and old cars in particular... What better place to learn about old cars, from old guys... LOL I took some photos with my "new" phone but can't figure out how to load them into the computer yet...? Guess I should stick with 70 year old technology... __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

07-21-2014, 06:21 AM	#1667
BILL WZOREK Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florence Ma. Posts: 2,404	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Vic: Hand off the phone to Angie, Pictures will be posted in a hart beat, LOL

07-21-2014, 06:53 AM	#1668
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour You got that right Bill!!! __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

07-21-2014, 07:20 AM	#1669
Steves46 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lithia, FL Posts: 1,050	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Sorry to have missed the fun. How's Don's car coming along? __________________ If it aint broke, don't fix it!

07-21-2014, 07:34 AM	#1670
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour One step forward... two steps backwards... You know how that goes... __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

07-24-2014, 06:02 AM	#1671
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour A question about wiring? When did Ford go from cloth covered wiring harnesses to the black tape covering? I'm thinking it was for the '49 model year, but would like to confirm that. Thanks. __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

07-24-2014, 08:41 AM	#1672
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour On the trucks they were still using it on the F1s, somewhere around 56 they switched. I can check if you are interested in the specific year. I am using F1 53 wiring style for a guide on my 33 5 window, and the 53 is still cloth wiring. Noticed the fuel pressure regulator you were using. There have been a lot of issues with that regulator, might keep an eye on it, leaks and improper pressure regulation. I always liked the Holley 12-804.

07-24-2014, 08:55 AM	#1673
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Looks like after 48 they were still using cloth wiring but started using a mixture of cloth and tape looms. In the pickups the wiring switched to plastic in 56 and with tape looms.

07-24-2014, 09:07 AM	#1674
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Thanks JSeery, my '51 F-1 has a combination of tape and cloth and my '53 Convertible has tape, as does our '53 F-100 Panel. The reason I'm asking is, my friend Don got a '50 Convertible and most, if not all, the original wiring had been removed by a previous owner... __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

07-24-2014, 09:16 AM	#1675
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Several suppliers sell original type wiring harnesses, if you can stand the price!

07-24-2014, 10:26 AM	#1676
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Thankfully, this isn't my car. I have gotten OEM style wiring harnesses for several of our cars, from places like Rhode Island wiring, Dennis Carpenter, Bob Drake and Tyree Harris. All have been excellent quality, and all are close in price. I'm not sure if Don wants to go with a stock looking harness for his '50 or a new style replacement harness... __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

07-25-2014, 01:20 AM	#1677
ora masters Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: gordonville mo Posts: 519	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour thanks vic it is 1 15 am in MO iAM GOEING TO BED

07-25-2014, 08:26 AM	#1678
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Ora, sleep tight and pleasant dreams. __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

07-31-2014, 09:18 AM	#1679
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour I've been away from the garage for almost two weeks so, I'm looking forward to getting back to playing with Flatheads this Saturday. Hopefully we'll be able to tie up some more loose ends on Don's '50 Rag Top, and get the headlights, taillights, ignition, etc., hooked up and installed in the Zephyr... __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

08-03-2014, 02:34 PM	#1680
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour We spent some time yesterday working on Don's '50 Ford Convertible, here are a few photos; the first one is of Mike & Don with the '50. After messin' with Don's car, we drove my '39 CS (2nd photo) to Keith's garage (last photo) to see some of his, and his Dad's, cars. I got all the components for the electric fuel pump mounted on the rear cross member of the Zephyr as well. Another fun day with Flatheads. __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.