Ford 1-1/16 carb

[corvette8n]

Pick up a Ford 2bbl marked 1-1/16 what motor is it for, does anyone know what it flows?, will it work on a stock 8BA? Thks.

[V12Bill]

Lincoln used a 1 1/16" carb on the V 12. Should have 06H on the side of the bowl and/or Lincoln teardrop

[Charlie ny]

Corv,
Might also be a Y block carb, 292 cu in. I would trade it for a 94. That
carb used 54 size jets. Examine the throttle arm....if it actuates with a push it's
a good chance it's a Linc.....if it actuates with the normal Ford pull it's a Y block
carb.
Charlie ny

[Bruce Lancaster]

Look at the model designation cast on the left side of bowl...I think the Y-block ones start with EC, there were several flavors of those used differing in types of choke and linkage for cars, trucks, automatic trans, etc. I think ECG is the most common version, with an automatic choke setup.
The base plate has same bolt pattern as its ancestor, the 94 series, but the bores are considerably larger and spread out farther apart. You'd want to modify a Ford manifold or adapt bolt pattern to '49-53 Merc manifold types to get a reasonable match.

[Teich]

Have a 1 1/16" came with 57 jets, tried one before put in 52 jets to lean went good till the bog set in! Laurie

[Mike51Merc]

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Also known as the LZ carburetor, for Lincoln Zephyr.
I have one that says 1" on one side and Lincoln Zephyr (inside the teardrop logo) with a tiny V12. The other side says 06H.
Looks just like a Holley 94 from the outside.

[Ross F-1]

Does it have a "spark control valve" on the throttle section, on the rear? Looks a lot like a power valve. If so it's a Y-block carb, a 2110. Note the strange choke arm, too.

I ran one of these for quite a while, hard to say there was any noticeable difference to the 94. The LoadAMatic didn't seem to work as well with it.

[scooder]

Ross, did you run it on a stock Ford inlet? I ask as the 59A And earlier and 8BA manifolds won't bore out big enough to match the carb base without hitting air or exhaust. Even the 8CM needs to be bored bigger for proper fit with the 1 1/16 Y block carb, in fact it needs boring to match the stock fitment "back draft" Merc carb!
In my experience.
Martin.

[scooder]

Originally Posted by Teich

Have a 1 1/16" came with 57 jets, tried one before put in 52 jets to lean went good till the bog set in! Laurie

Till the bog set in? Could you elaborate please.
Thanks,
Martin.

[Ross F-1]

Martin, I was running double or triple gaskets (for heat soak issues), so I had no problem with the plates hitting the manifold. No, I didn't bore the manifold, and I believe you're right that there isn't enough meat there unless maybe you went into the heat riser passages and then sleeved it.

Here's a comparison, with the 2110 gasket on a 94 base. It's a significantly larger carb. Note also the different throttle arm on the 2110 on the right.

[OLD...BILL]

Originally Posted by scooder

Till the bog set in? Could you elaborate please.
Thanks,
Martin.

I was wondering the same thing? Could it be when today's corngas hit Canada??.............OLD.............BILL

[Mart]

Bog as in bogging down, or experiencing a flat spot.

[Teich]

leaned out, both carbs came with '94' size throttle bore both had the nozzle bar that was tall at the front, then to mess things up just got a 94 as stamped on the rear ventures are same as 94 so it must be, but this one had the tall front nozzle bars and 52 jets was on a 1953 EAB in F250 truck. Now this one with 51 jets and CharlieNY's power valve works great Laurie

[Walt Dupont--Me.]

Those 1-1/16 venture were on big trucks, some have bigger air horn and choke butterfly, I have heard they flow 225cfm, one time I tried 3 of them on my 40 with a 276, that was to much 675cfm. I believe just one on a stock engine would run alright but I think the gas mileage would suffer. Walt

[1952henry]

As stated, the Holley LZ carbs were 1". Early ones said LZ on the back, later ones said 1".
The ECG 5 and 6 carburetor, which came on the 56 Fords with the 292, were an 1-1/16". They did not have the funny choke lever as pictured, although some 2100s did, just don't have the model number at the fore-front of my mind.

Someone said these were used (only) on big trucks. Not sure how big is big, but 292s were used in the F600s. Be it a truck engine, or car engine, it can only handle so much air/fuel, so that wouldn't make a difference if it were true.

[scooder]

Originally Posted by Teich

leaned out, both carbs came with '94' size throttle bore both had the nozzle bar that was tall at the front, then to mess things up just got a 94 as stamped on the rear ventures are same as 94 so it must be, but this one had the tall front nozzle bars and 52 jets was on a 1953 EAB in F250 truck. Now this one with 51 jets and CharlieNY's power valve works great Laurie

So they wernt the carbs being discussed, they were 94's you have.
the ones being discussed don't have 94 size throttle bores, they have considerably bigger throttle bores and venturies that measure 1 1/16", not 0.94".
But thanks for reply.
Martin.

[scooder]

Originally Posted by 1952henry

As stated, the Holley LZ carbs were 1". Early ones said LZ on the back, later ones said 1".
The ECG 5 and 6 carburetor, which came on the 56 Fords with the 292, were an 1-1/16". They did not have the funny choke lever as pictured, although some 2100s did, just don't have the model number at the fore-front of my mind.


Someone said these were used (only) on big trucks. Not sure how big is big, but 292s were used in the F600s. Be it a truck engine, or car engine, it can only handle so much air/fuel, so that wouldn't make a difference if it were true.

The ECG carb I have here is the 1 1/16" off a 292 Y block truck. It has the annular discharge nozzle bars, and is exactly as the picture in Ross's post, truck type air cleaner fitting and that funny looking choke lever.
Nothing appears to be set in stone on these old Ford's. This one also has riveted throttle plates (not screws) and has the tiny Ford rebuild decal on it. You know the one bubba copied (was inspired by) and sticks on his ignitions.
Martin.

[scooder]

Originally Posted by Ross F-1

Martin, I was running double or triple gaskets (for heat soak issues), so I had no problem with the plates hitting the manifold. No, I didn't bore the manifold, and I believe you're right that there isn't enough meat there unless maybe you went into the heat riser passages and then sleeved it.

Here's a comparison, with the 2110 gasket on a 94 base. It's a significantly larger carb. Note also the different throttle arm on the 2110 on the right.

Cheers for that Ross, I'm fairly sure that plonking the biggy on a stock manifold (pre 8CM) does create a flow problem. More than the dimensions would have you believe.
The mixture whizzes down and out of the bigger carb, and a good chunk of it slams straight into the flat top of the manifold. This then has to turn to get further down the manifold. With this turned mixture (now at 90 degrees to the main flow) coming in sideways, this further disrupts the main flow. And now has to turn another 90 to get back in line. And flow don't like going round Sharp turns, it sets up an eddying mess of business, all mucking up the flow.
This don't even account for the mixture at the initial slam into the manifold that goes every other way but 90 into the main flow.
Yes it's true that a bunch of that mixture will take on a sort of flattened S curve, and not hit corners. But in the outsides of that S, is mess. All this ends up flowing I believe less than a good matched 94 throttle bore to manifold bore, as this mess in flow and it's inability to flow round Sharp corners will constrict the flow to less than it had before.
I hope that makes sence.
Be good to see what the difference would be in say, 94 on an 8BA manifold (matched for bore size) and an ECG on a similarly matched 8CM manifold. In the real world on the road testing. I believe these to setups would be the fairest comparison, as below the vertical part of the manifold, they are (as far as I've measured) identical size and shape. The initial vertical part (carb face to manifold proper) is bigger on the 8CM, still got to go bigger though to match the bigger carbs.
I will do this test when me truck is on the road, to satisfy my curiosity, and anybody else that's interested in this sort of playing.
Cheers,
Martin

[scooder]

Originally Posted by Mart

Bog as in bogging down, or experiencing a flat spot.

Yep got that Mart, wanted to know why the bog set in.
Cue I'm an inquisitive short bloke.
Spare wheel carrier is the biscuits mate, cheers for that.
Martin.