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02-03-2013, 07:04 PM | #1 |
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41 Ford front axel spring perches
Does any one make new spring perches for 1941 ford cars? I haven't been able to find a source.
Just in case I really mess up the old ones taking them out. Or do I really need to take them out? Thanks for the responses. Torchie. |
02-03-2013, 07:09 PM | #2 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
They are not reproduced but do come available from time to time. Expect to pay about $150 for a pair of NOS.
How would we know if you need to remove them? What are you attempting to accomplish? Are the ones currently installed worn out?
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02-03-2013, 09:54 PM | #3 | |
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Restoring a 1941 Ford car chassis. Spring perches are very pitted. As far as being worn out goes,what constitutes a worn out spring perch? Out of round holes. Damaged threads. Being bent. Magnafluxed for cracks. To check most of that they would need to be removed from the spring as well as the axle. So I thought that I would check on availability before going any farther in case they were damaged removing them. |
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02-03-2013, 10:42 PM | #4 | |
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Can you fill the pits? If so, I'd suggest if the pins do not otherwise appear damaged, then by all means leave them in place.
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02-03-2013, 10:58 PM | #5 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
NOS show up on that auction site every now and then. Yeah, about $70 each is what I paid, then gave up and left my old ones in for now. Mine had been converted to tube shocks at some point in the past. I managed to reuse my tube shock adapter bolts and original anti-sway bar still.
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A PO put tube shocks on this one as well as still having the anti-sway bar. They just welded a stud to the bottom of the axle and fab'd some stands for the top. The welding looks good but I am not thrilled with the angle of the shock as the bottom stud is on the inboard of the wishbone causing the shocks to angle inward instead of outward. Is this even a workable design or should it be changed as well ? I know that the 41 front axle presents some challenges compared to other years which is why the hot rodders didn't use them so much. Torchie. |
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02-20-2013, 12:32 PM | #7 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
Not trying to hijack a tread.
Can one of you post up a picture of the front shock set-up? I am going to try and help one of our other members out with this install but I can not picture what is being done. I have a MII suspension in my car so I have no experience with this. Thanks |
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If you google Ford Lever action shocks you will bring up some pics and info. Torchie. Last edited by Torchie; 02-20-2013 at 05:19 PM. |
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02-20-2013, 05:20 PM | #9 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
He is switching to Tube shocks.
I did see 41Fordor picture from above the shock but the lower part or setup is what I am trying to understand. Heading home from work now, then off to the shop for the night. Will check back in later tonight. |
02-20-2013, 05:30 PM | #10 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
I recently installed tube shocks on my 41 coupe, it took a while to get the right parts together. most kits they sell don't work with original sway bar...
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Most that i have seen seem to use a longer upper shackle stud to mount the lower shock eye. On the set up above you are using the original shock linkage mounting eye on the lower end and a Repro? frame mounted stand. Correct? Torchie. |
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the lower shock stud is a special tapered one that mounts where the dog bone link originally was, as far as I know nobody makes them, the brackets are n.o.s not repro. depending on what brackets you have will determine what shocks will work... |
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02-20-2013, 09:34 PM | #13 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
As mentioned above, the lower shock stud is a special tapered one that mounts where the dog bone link originally was, as far as I know nobody makes them. Mine had been converted years ago and I found some NAPA shocks that fit the old conversion. I posted the NAPA Part # in another link, I'd have to search for it |
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Looks like you are not using the front sway bar on your set up? If you are not how has it affected your ride and handling. Torchie. Last edited by Torchie; 02-20-2013 at 11:00 PM. Reason: add ons |
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02-21-2013, 08:15 AM | #15 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
Perches.
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02-21-2013, 08:31 AM | #16 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
I am using the front sway bar, I just hadn't installed it yet in that picture.
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08-29-2018, 11:02 AM | #17 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
Just finished installing tube shocks on front of 41 sedan. Ordered "Vintage" bolt on kit. It does not fit as advertised. Neither does anything from Speedway. Ended up bolting 2x3 tubing to frame then attached speedway upper mount to it just to clear the sway bar. Not pretty but it works. None of these kits seem to fit as advertised. Very frustrating.
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08-29-2018, 11:51 AM | #18 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
Looks like contacting nospartsman would be helpful.
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08-29-2018, 12:01 PM | #19 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
Might be difficult as he is banned from the Ford Barn.
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08-29-2018, 02:34 PM | #20 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
Ah, the joys of working on the front end of a '41, with its oddball components!
I vote for using stock Houdaile shocks. The only reason Ford went away from them is that they were so much more expensive to manufacture than tube shocks. My '41 handles fine, and I throw it around pretty hard on some rough roads. If worn out, they are rebuildable. |
08-29-2018, 06:32 PM | #21 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
am I looking at the shock mount wrong or are they on the wrong side? should be almost straight up and down and if you look at the mount they are tilted to make them this way
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08-29-2018, 10:38 PM | #22 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
I used stock shocks on my '41 Fordor for years. Worked fine. Can be adjusted for ride. Best ride I could get after trying a bunch of tube shock combos
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08-30-2018, 10:34 AM | #23 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
How does the adjustment work, mine are set in the center position. I know they can be adjusted to make them stiffer or softer. but which way for stiffer, ccw or cw. They look like they have been overhauled, maybe just painted I don't know. Al
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08-30-2018, 10:46 AM | #24 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
Torchie why are the 41 front ends different from the 40. What makes them difficult to tune for driveability ? I've had no experience with a 41 before and don't know anything about the problems associated with it. I've owned several cars with what looks to be the same set-up and never had a problem with 40, 46 48 Fords and they look the same to me. Al
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It wasn't fun until I backed the shocks off a bit. I painted arrows on mine and have even adjusted them on trips. I carry a 4" adj. wrench ant it works fine for that. |
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08-31-2018, 09:08 AM | #26 | |
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I'm not sure what "tuning for drivability" necessarily means when it comes to fat-fendered Ford front ends, but '41s do have a couple of differences that some folks haven't noticed. For instance, it is generally stated that '37-'41 spindles (the ROUND backs) are all the same. Well, many passenger-side spindles on '41s have the drag link attached from the TOP instead of from the bottom, which means that the taper at the end of the arm is tapered from the opposite direction as ALL '37-'40s. You can't use one of these goofy spindles on a '37-'40 because the drag link will hit the wishbone. One other difference is the wishbone itself. It is a "one-year-only" wishbone that measures about 4" or so longer (front to rear) when measuring between the I-beam axle and the ball. DD |
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08-31-2018, 09:41 AM | #27 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
Thanks guy's I just dropped it off at a garage that does front end work. I'll find out something today I hope. I'll report back as to what they find. Al
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V8: Your obscure "tid bits" of knowledge are incredible. Very informative.
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Ahhhh…….Beware that I can make-up superfluous BS with the best of 'em. DD |
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08-31-2018, 03:32 PM | #30 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
Hey Coop there is a car show at Demontrond chevy on I-45 at Texas City exit this monday if interested. I'm going if I get my car back from alignment shop today. Registeration at 10:00 runs to 4:00 o'clock. Al
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03-27-2019, 04:45 PM | #31 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
I am in the process of installing tube shocks in my 1936 Ford Cabriolet and plan to go from the after market top perch to a perch I will have in my axle about 2 1/2" from the king pin lock pin. Now for the problem.
Does anyone know of a list of shocks by size as to shock resting height, Mine is 16" full extended height, and Mine is 18 to 20" axle to bump stop rubber Mine is 2 1/2" If you know the brand and or part # I would appreciate the info. Any info would help/ Thanks |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
Isn't 41 the first yr for anti-roll bars? I know a old 42 I had did...
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03-29-2019, 08:42 AM | #33 |
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Re: 41 Ford front axel spring perches
Don't know if it will help but here's the shock set up on my 40. These shocks are from 1963. The rears are the same as a 51 Mercury. I believe 1940 was the first year for the anti sway (stabilizer) bar.This photo was taken with complete OEM front suspension except for the tube shocks. These shocks appear on Ebay once in a while. Still worked fine after install of 4 in. dropped axle years later.
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