1933 transmisson rebuild/repair

[DavidG]

A lot of the advice above, if not all of it, is based on experience with V8 transmissions. It might be well to recall that the subject car is a four banger, which means that the transmission case is considerably longer and that the rear of the transmission sits a good 2" further back in the center cross member (it being a '33). The opening in the floor pan from which the transmission must be removed in the rear axle method is not, however, any deeper to the rear. Just food for thought.

[FrankWest]

Originally Posted by Charlie ny

Frank,
2nd gear in your trans spins on a bronze sleeve which is fixed to the output
shaft by means of a spline. It would not shock me at all if that 2nd gear sleeve was
cracked and came out in pieces when/if you disassemble the trans. Second gear spins on that sleeve any time your
car is moving EXCEPT when the trans is in 2nd.
Once you've yanked the trans and rebuilt it.........using Mac's book...........
you'll be a veteran. The first tool is Mac VanPelts book.
You may need a press to remove the input shaft/gear bearing .
Charlie ny

I ordered the book....And I send Van Pelt a sound clip of the noise.
This site won't allow me to post it, it is too large

[1931 flamingo]

Frank: Have you changed the trans fluid??
If not, I'd start there. Drain and fill with the 600w available from the vendors. Might try adding some STP with it (do not overfill).
I would do this and drive it for a while before "digging" into the tranny. JMO
Paul in CT

[CC33]

The picture I posted of pulling the entire assembly out from under the car, is to show an option for the next step in the transmission job. If you are going through all this work, now is the time to address the torque tube seal. It is just easier to work on the removal of the torque tube, drive shaft assembly with it out from under the car. Working on your back is for the young guys.

[FrankWest]

Originally Posted by Charlie ny

Frank,
2nd gear in your trans spins on a bronze sleeve which is fixed to the output
shaft by means of a spline. It would not shock me at all if that 2nd gear sleeve was
cracked and came out in pieces when/if you disassemble the trans. Second gear spins on that sleeve any time your
car is moving EXCEPT when the trans is in 2nd.
Once you've yanked the trans and rebuilt it.........using Mac's book...........
you'll be a veteran. The first tool is Mac VanPelts book.
You may need a press to remove the input shaft/gear bearing .
Charlie ny

If that were the case would not it affect shifting?
The transmission shifts great, no problems. There is no grinding as such.
The noise is almost like Honnnnnnnkkkk almost like a goose call honking.

[bobH]

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Originally Posted by DavidG

A lot of the advice above, if not all of it, is based on experience with V8 transmissions. It might be well to recall that the subject car is a four banger, which means that the transmission case is considerably longer and that the rear of the transmission sits a good 2" further back in the center cross member (it being a '33). The opening in the floor pan from which the transmission must be removed in the rear axle method is not, however, any deeper to the rear. Just food for thought.

David, good comments... Does this mean that the trans is impossible to get out, via the 'remove-the-rear-end' method? Sounds like maybe, or can the trans be moved straight back, tilt front downward & forward, then bring rear of trans up and out through the top? (or, drop it down to the floor?) And, is this like my 47, for example, where the trans mount (bearing retainer) must be taken off the back of the trans, before the trans can be manuvered out? Obviously, my experience is NOT with a model B. On my 33/34, V8, the trans manuveres out quite easy.
I'd also pay attention to Charlie's comments. He's had a lot of experience in this area. I'd consider taking Charlie up on one of his past offers... to send him second gear for hand-fitting.
Regarding Post 23, from Paul... I would add, drain trans into a CLEAN pan, so you can look for unwanted or abnormal stuff coming out of the trans.
(At this stage, I wouldn't worry much about what oil to put back in. Just whatever gear oil is available at the closest parts store is good enough. It might be only a 'flushing fluid' at this stage. There is time for your favorite trans oil, later.) Only opinion here, and we all know what it's worth