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drpepper1885 · 09-11-2012, 08:22 PM

Hello everyone. I purchased a 1912 touring this weekend and have started to get into the engine. The pictures below are of the transmission bands. Are the bands supposed to line up exactly over each drum? I have tried to highlight where the bands appear to be slightly off the drums. I will be changing the lining to Kevlar this weekend, but was curious to see if anyone had any thoughts on whether or not this was a problem. I appreciate your input. Mike in Houston

drpepper1885 · 09-11-2012, 08:27 PM

Here is a picture showing the brake band and its position relative to the drum. The arrow shows how far over the band is.

fordman67 · 09-11-2012, 08:29 PM

It sure looks like just the difference in where the metal ring was rivited to the ear.i would look and see if they were not put in an orentation other than where they should be.i dont think it will hurt much if when you reline you compensate and cheat the lining over just that hair.either way i think it is no big deal but a different band that is centered would be better yet.but that is just my opinion.

redmodelt · 09-11-2012, 08:39 PM

Brake bands before the improved model used the drive plate as part of brake drum. So it looks normal. The low band looks ok except the spring is forcing it back. I would put a washer between the spring and ear on the band. You might do the same for any spring that is doing the same thing. I don't think new springs will help this. The ears are worn some. If it doesn't have quick change bands now you might want to get some and install now. It will save a bit of work later.

drpepper1885 · 09-11-2012, 09:15 PM

Thanks guys for the quick replies.

Redmodelt - I was curious about your statement "brake bands before the improved model used the drive plate as part of the brake drum." By "drive plate," are you meaning the "transmission driving plate assembly." The brake band definitely hangs out over this plate. When did the improved model you refer to come out?

Thanks again for your help.

redmodelt · 09-11-2012, 11:52 PM

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The improved model t refers to late 1925 to 1927.
By "drive plate," are you meaning the "transmission driving plate assembly." Yes.

drpepper1885 · 09-12-2012, 02:54 PM

Thank you!

Jim Sims · 09-13-2012, 01:37 PM

Don't waste your money on quick change bands. The early transmission covers do not have clearance to remove or install them.

Will N · 09-13-2012, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Sims

Don't waste your money on quick change bands. The early transmission covers do not have clearance to remove or install them.

What years are considered early?

yachtsmanbill · 09-13-2012, 05:22 PM

The ones with the square inspection doors? ws

Jim Sims · 09-13-2012, 05:26 PM

The early t's are the ones before starters were available' older than about 18. I have not tried the bands with the button type ear attchment.

redmodelt · 09-13-2012, 07:32 PM

I forgot to add, if you put quick change bands in you will have to change to the 25 to 27 outside adjuster for the low band. Check the photo, this car has the larger tapered door type cover. The removable ear goes on the drivers side (US cars). the aluminum and pre starter cast iron hogs head should have the same amount of room inside as the starter type. Yes the tab type are a bit hard to get in with fresh lining. I had quick change bands in my 1918 with the non starter hogs head and I could change them with out pulling it.

columbiA · 09-21-2012, 10:40 PM

The aluminum hogs heads have less room for changing bands than the later type.

Susanne · 09-24-2012, 08:25 PM

Part of the "joy" of owning an early car... but it's amazing how adept you get at pulling and replaceing that hogshead.

John Otis · 09-25-2012, 04:59 PM

I got to the point where I was really good at it and folks brought me a lot of cars of every year to replace band linings. Early ones are a pain. Take your time. Stuff lots of rags in there to catch wayward parts and count the rags going in and coming out. You can do it in an hour or you can do it in a day. Just be patient and keep your cool.

Dodge · 09-26-2012, 09:01 PM

I got tired of changing bands, went to the kevlar bands 12 yrs. ago and they are
still in there.

09-11-2012, 08:29 PM	#3
fordman67 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Evansville IN U.S.A. Posts: 395	Re: Transmission Bands It sure looks like just the difference in where the metal ring was rivited to the ear.i would look and see if they were not put in an orentation other than where they should be.i dont think it will hurt much if when you reline you compensate and cheat the lining over just that hair.either way i think it is no big deal but a different band that is centered would be better yet.but that is just my opinion. __________________ 1925 tudor (restoration) 1941 tudor"street rod" project1964 fairlane tube chassis "street car" 1996 f-350 crew cab 4x stroker! Na, I dont like working on cars...I exist for it!

09-11-2012, 08:39 PM	#4
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,342	Re: Transmission Bands Brake bands before the improved model used the drive plate as part of brake drum. So it looks normal. The low band looks ok except the spring is forcing it back. I would put a washer between the spring and ear on the band. You might do the same for any spring that is doing the same thing. I don't think new springs will help this. The ears are worn some. If it doesn't have quick change bands now you might want to get some and install now. It will save a bit of work later.

09-11-2012, 09:15 PM	#5
drpepper1885 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Kingwood, Texas Posts: 80	Re: Transmission Bands Thanks guys for the quick replies. Redmodelt - I was curious about your statement "brake bands before the improved model used the drive plate as part of the brake drum." By "drive plate," are you meaning the "transmission driving plate assembly." The brake band definitely hangs out over this plate. When did the improved model you refer to come out? Thanks again for your help.

09-11-2012, 11:52 PM	#6
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,342	Re: Transmission Bands Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) The improved model t refers to late 1925 to 1927. By "drive plate," are you meaning the "transmission driving plate assembly." Yes.

09-12-2012, 02:54 PM	#7
drpepper1885 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Kingwood, Texas Posts: 80	Re: Transmission Bands Thank you!

09-13-2012, 01:37 PM	#8
Jim Sims Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 9	Re: Transmission Bands Don't waste your money on quick change bands. The early transmission covers do not have clearance to remove or install them.

09-13-2012, 05:22 PM	#10
yachtsmanbill Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Two Rivers, Wi. Posts: 1,406	Re: Transmission Bands The ones with the square inspection doors? ws __________________ " Warning; the following contains content that the anal retentive may find offensive - please skip on to the next posting!"

09-13-2012, 05:26 PM	#11
Jim Sims Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 9	Re: Transmission Bands The early t's are the ones before starters were available' older than about 18. I have not tried the bands with the button type ear attchment.

09-13-2012, 07:32 PM	#12
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,342	Re: Transmission Bands I forgot to add, if you put quick change bands in you will have to change to the 25 to 27 outside adjuster for the low band. Check the photo, this car has the larger tapered door type cover. The removable ear goes on the drivers side (US cars). the aluminum and pre starter cast iron hogs head should have the same amount of room inside as the starter type. Yes the tab type are a bit hard to get in with fresh lining. I had quick change bands in my 1918 with the non starter hogs head and I could change them with out pulling it.

09-21-2012, 10:40 PM	#13
columbiA Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,746	Re: Transmission Bands The aluminum hogs heads have less room for changing bands than the later type.

09-24-2012, 08:25 PM	#14
Susanne Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 16	Re: Transmission Bands Part of the "joy" of owning an early car... but it's amazing how adept you get at pulling and replaceing that hogshead.

09-25-2012, 04:59 PM	#15
John Otis Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Vermont and Florida Posts: 188	Re: Transmission Bands I got to the point where I was really good at it and folks brought me a lot of cars of every year to replace band linings. Early ones are a pain. Take your time. Stuff lots of rags in there to catch wayward parts and count the rags going in and coming out. You can do it in an hour or you can do it in a day. Just be patient and keep your cool.

09-26-2012, 09:01 PM	#16
Dodge Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sonoma, CA. Posts: 1,498	Re: Transmission Bands I got tired of changing bands, went to the kevlar bands 12 yrs. ago and they are still in there.