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38Tudor · 08-26-2014, 02:52 PM

I've recently got my 1938 Tudor Standard running. I trailered it home a couple of weeks ago. I have never owned a car of this vintage before.

It sounds like a siren or a constant whine that comes from the motor. Is this what a 60 hp flathead sounds like? I don't know. I took off the fan belt and started it that way to see if it was the generator or the water pumps but no it still sounded like a siren.

Here is a link to a video that displays the siren/whine sound. its coming from the motor not the transmission.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-y...it?usp=sharing

Please advise.

Vic Piano · 08-26-2014, 02:56 PM

Could be a vacuum leak...??? That could cause it to whistle...

38Tudor · 08-26-2014, 03:32 PM

No vacuum leaks. The siren or whine sound, sounds mechanical.

JSeery · 08-26-2014, 03:39 PM

Whatever it is, it is not normal! These are fairly quite running engines. Does it have normal oil pressure?

38Tudor · 08-26-2014, 04:42 PM

Yes, it has good oil pressure. Maybe it's coming from the distributer. I'll rebuild another one and swap them.

38Tudor · 08-26-2014, 04:44 PM

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Fordestes · 08-26-2014, 05:47 PM

try holding the clutch down, see if it changes anything , I bought an old truck that whined real bad and someone put the wrong cluster gear in the trans, it ran and shifted ok. but that damn whine would run you out of the cab!.nevertheless I rebuilt the gearbox and all is well after 40 plus years.
fordestes,

done4 · 08-26-2014, 05:53 PM

Might be the wife screeming about how much you spent on it. Just a thought.

38Tudor · 08-26-2014, 06:56 PM

I thought it was the wife but no.
I'll try the clutch and report back. Didn't think about that.

done4 · 08-26-2014, 07:46 PM

Good to hear that, most times it's our better half. What is the operating temp of your engine and does start when you frist start it or after it gets warm?

38Tudor · 08-26-2014, 09:55 PM

It runs about 170 (that's what the gauge says) and starts right up cold or hot.

Rascal · 08-27-2014, 12:50 AM

Worn Alloy timing gear or very worn oil pump gears, that are marginally out of mesh, can make this sound , we have a big flat motor that does this & although its not so noticeable on the idle, but is, only when you give it the gas , some sound diagnosis has revealed that this maybe the problem.

Ross F-1 · 08-27-2014, 08:52 AM

If it has an aluminum cam gear, they can make that kind of noise.

V12Bill · 08-27-2014, 10:23 AM

Take a long screwdriver with the handle up to your ear or a mechanics stethoscope and place the tip at different locations on the engine to see if you can tell what part of the engine is making the noise.

38Tudor · 08-27-2014, 12:05 PM

No help pushing the clutch pedal. I did the long screwdriver trick and it sounds like its coming from the timing cover. So like it has been said, I think its the cam and timing gear . I'm going to run it like it is for a while. Thanks to all for all the help!

Merc Cruzer · 08-27-2014, 12:45 PM

Try posting a video with sound

38Tudor · 08-27-2014, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merc Cruzer

Try posting a video with sound

That's a great idea! Ill try.

38Tudor · 08-27-2014, 08:13 PM

Here is a link to a video that displays the siren/whine sound. its coming from the motor not the transmission.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-y...it?usp=sharing

Clem Clement · 08-27-2014, 08:20 PM

golly, feed that coyote. Try the same down hill run with the clutch and again with the engine shut off.

At the speed you were driving, we should not have been able to hear the engine.
Nice looking car. Congrats.

JSeery · 08-27-2014, 11:18 PM

Sounds like cats under the hood to me, did you check for cats?

08-26-2014, 02:52 PM	#1
38Tudor Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 95	1938 60 hp sound I've recently got my 1938 Tudor Standard running. I trailered it home a couple of weeks ago. I have never owned a car of this vintage before. It sounds like a siren or a constant whine that comes from the motor. Is this what a 60 hp flathead sounds like? I don't know. I took off the fan belt and started it that way to see if it was the generator or the water pumps but no it still sounded like a siren. Here is a link to a video that displays the siren/whine sound. its coming from the motor not the transmission. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-y...it?usp=sharing Please advise. __________________ "Thrifty Sixty" Ford V8 for 1938 Last edited by 38Tudor; 08-27-2014 at 08:22 PM.

08-26-2014, 02:56 PM	#2
Vic Piano Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Odessa, FL Posts: 7,611	Re: 1938 60 hp sound Could be a vacuum leak...??? That could cause it to whistle... __________________ Imagination is more important than knowledge.

08-26-2014, 03:32 PM	#3
38Tudor Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 95	Re: 1938 60 hp sound No vacuum leaks. The siren or whine sound, sounds mechanical. __________________ "Thrifty Sixty" Ford V8 for 1938

08-26-2014, 03:39 PM	#4
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: 1938 60 hp sound Whatever it is, it is not normal! These are fairly quite running engines. Does it have normal oil pressure?

08-26-2014, 04:42 PM	#5
38Tudor Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 95	Re: 1938 60 hp sound Yes, it has good oil pressure. Maybe it's coming from the distributer. I'll rebuild another one and swap them. __________________ "Thrifty Sixty" Ford V8 for 1938

08-26-2014, 04:44 PM	#6
38Tudor Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 95	Re: 1938 60 hp sound Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Distributor __________________ "Thrifty Sixty" Ford V8 for 1938

08-26-2014, 05:47 PM	#7
Fordestes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 886	Re: 1938 60 hp sound try holding the clutch down, see if it changes anything , I bought an old truck that whined real bad and someone put the wrong cluster gear in the trans, it ran and shifted ok. but that damn whine would run you out of the cab!.nevertheless I rebuilt the gearbox and all is well after 40 plus years. fordestes, Last edited by Fordestes; 08-26-2014 at 05:51 PM. Reason: spelling

08-26-2014, 05:53 PM	#8
done4 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Union Pier MI Posts: 392	Re: 1938 60 hp sound Might be the wife screeming about how much you spent on it. Just a thought. __________________ Still smokin tires and cigars

08-26-2014, 06:56 PM	#9
38Tudor Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 95	Re: 1938 60 hp sound I thought it was the wife but no. I'll try the clutch and report back. Didn't think about that. __________________ "Thrifty Sixty" Ford V8 for 1938

08-26-2014, 07:46 PM	#10
done4 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Union Pier MI Posts: 392	Re: 1938 60 hp sound Good to hear that, most times it's our better half. What is the operating temp of your engine and does start when you frist start it or after it gets warm? __________________ Still smokin tires and cigars

08-26-2014, 09:55 PM	#11
38Tudor Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 95	Re: 1938 60 hp sound It runs about 170 (that's what the gauge says) and starts right up cold or hot. __________________ "Thrifty Sixty" Ford V8 for 1938

08-27-2014, 12:50 AM	#12
Rascal Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sacto, Ca Posts: 85	Re: 1938 60 hp sound Worn Alloy timing gear or very worn oil pump gears, that are marginally out of mesh, can make this sound , we have a big flat motor that does this & although its not so noticeable on the idle, but is, only when you give it the gas , some sound diagnosis has revealed that this maybe the problem. Last edited by Rascal; 08-27-2014 at 07:39 PM.

08-27-2014, 08:52 AM	#13
Ross F-1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NM Posts: 2,438	Re: 1938 60 hp sound If it has an aluminum cam gear, they can make that kind of noise. __________________ '52 F-1, EAB flathead

08-27-2014, 10:23 AM	#14
V12Bill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mt. Holly,NJ Posts: 1,822	Re: 1938 60 hp sound Take a long screwdriver with the handle up to your ear or a mechanics stethoscope and place the tip at different locations on the engine to see if you can tell what part of the engine is making the noise.

08-27-2014, 12:05 PM	#15
38Tudor Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 95	Re: 1938 60 hp sound No help pushing the clutch pedal. I did the long screwdriver trick and it sounds like its coming from the timing cover. So like it has been said, I think its the cam and timing gear . I'm going to run it like it is for a while. Thanks to all for all the help! __________________ "Thrifty Sixty" Ford V8 for 1938

08-27-2014, 12:45 PM	#16
Merc Cruzer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Conifer, Colorado Posts: 2,429	Re: 1938 60 hp sound Try posting a video with sound

08-27-2014, 08:13 PM	#18
38Tudor Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Illinois Posts: 95	Re: 1938 60 hp sound Here is a link to a video that displays the siren/whine sound. its coming from the motor not the transmission. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-y...it?usp=sharing __________________ "Thrifty Sixty" Ford V8 for 1938

08-27-2014, 08:20 PM	#19
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,393	Re: 1938 60 hp sound golly, feed that coyote. Try the same down hill run with the clutch and again with the engine shut off. At the speed you were driving, we should not have been able to hear the engine. Nice looking car. Congrats.

08-27-2014, 11:18 PM	#20
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: 1938 60 hp sound Sounds like cats under the hood to me, did you check for cats?