The Ford Barn

waterboychuck · 06-29-2016, 04:18 PM

I'm ready to paint my 46 with a single stage paint. I have used PPG Concept on the interior parts and it turned out great. Now I need to buy the paint for the exterior and wonder if there is a difference, other then price, between TCP's restoration shop acrylic urethane and PPG's concept.

rotorwrench · 06-29-2016, 04:47 PM

I agree on the DCC Concept. That is good stuff. I've never used the TCB global stuff so I can't comment on that. If you could get them to match your colors I would use the PPG stuff in a heart beat.

Ken/Alabama · 06-29-2016, 05:47 PM

I painted my Zephyr with PPG Concept. It's really good paint and I sanded and buffed it out. The only draw back that I found out after I painted the car is that if you get any chips or damage you will have to repaint the whole panel . The Acrylic Urethane cannot be blended back in like enamel. So, if I'd known then what I've learned since I painted the whole car I'd probably used enamel.

Marvin/TN · 06-29-2016, 06:00 PM

I never cared for PPG paint and always used Du Pont but each to their own.

Farley's34 · 06-29-2016, 06:05 PM

When used correctly PPG Concept Color is great stuff. I have cars that I painted with it back 20 years ago and they still look beautiful. Can't go wrong in my opinion!

Scott H in Wheaton · 06-29-2016, 07:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken/Alabama

I painted my Zephyr with PPG Concept. It's really good paint and I sanded and buffed it out. The only draw back that I found out after I painted the car is that if you get any chips or damage you will have to repaint the whole panel . The Acrylic Urethane cannot be blended back in like enamel. So, if I'd known then what I've learned since I painted the whole car I'd probably used enamel.

True, true...blending a modern urethane is much more tricky than it used to be.
Read the following for some tips (its still a tricky pain in the butt!):
http://autobodystore.com/forum/showt...d-single-stage

dave collette · 06-29-2016, 07:53 PM

I have painted several cars with PPG concept. If you have the correct blending agents it can easily be spotted in. I have done this many times with no problems.I have done this for stone chips and collision repairs. Concept is very durable finish.It is a great overall finish.

Ken Crans · 06-29-2016, 09:03 PM

What color are you going with?

waterboychuck · 06-30-2016, 08:56 AM

I painted the interior with PPG concept black and it turned out really nice. I'm going for dynamic maroon on the exterior. I noticed that the prices between PPG and TCP are very different that's way I asked.

rotorwrench · 06-30-2016, 09:30 AM

I used Dupont Imron for years but it is no longer available in its original formula. The company is called Axalta now and the Imron available now is nothing to write home about. I would have used PPG Deltron for years but I just didn't have any mixing distributors here in San Antonio. The new Concept even smells just like Deltron (polyisocyanate). I could easily spot repair Deltron by misting a finely sanded surface with reducer prior to shooting the first repair coat. You just have to wait till the fine mist dries then hit it. After the paint is on you lightly mist it again to get it to meld in. I haven't tried it with the newer Concept put I wouldn't be afraid to try. I always had better luck with Deltron than I did the old Imron. You can rub and polish the stuff better than Imron. It can be applied successfully by folks that have never used it. Like any paint, it can run and sag but that can generally be avoided with experience.

flathead48 · 06-30-2016, 05:27 PM

Unless things have changed, TCP told me a few years ago they could no longer sell single stage paint. Ca restriction . I have used a lot of PPG paint, good but very pricy, I priced Monsoon Marone last year from PPG and it was around $750.00 a gallon.

rotorwrench · 06-30-2016, 06:05 PM

The reds are always the most expensive. They use the most complex combinations of color pigments and some are expensive to produce. In general, a lot of high dollar chemicals are used as well. The stuff hasn't gotten cheaper over the years for sure. It started getting more expensive way back when they had to take the lead out. Many of the chemicals are not legal to produce unless very strict safety protocall is observed. Some folks may remember what happened in Bhopal India. That stuff was methyl isocyanate but it's not all that different than polyisocyanate.

waterboychuck · 07-01-2016, 10:25 AM

Here's the link to the paint I was talking about. It's priced at $200 a gallon which is a quarter the price of PPG. Has anyone used it?
http://www.tcpglobal.com/restoration...chsheet_au.pdf

mrtexas · 07-01-2016, 10:35 AM

I've used TCP single stage paint on several cars and PPG on one. Got the PPG from TCP before they had their own line of paint. They sell TCP single stage but not PPG single stage anymore.

2 gallons of TCP red to allow for mistakes is $1,000 less expensive than 2 gallons of PPG. Granted you don't probably need 2 gallons of paint but trying to match when you run out of one gallon because of a mistake is a lot of trouble if you don't have the best paint dealer in the world locally that can make a perfect match quart. I made that mistake on 3 cars before I figured out the smart strategy. I don't know how to blend in a matched paint myself. My latest car I have bought 2 gallons of TCP.

mrtexas · 07-01-2016, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ken/Alabama

I painted my Zephyr with PPG Concept. It's really good paint and I sanded and buffed it out. The only draw back that I found out after I painted the car is that if you get any chips or damage you will have to repaint the whole panel . The Acrylic Urethane cannot be blended back in like enamel. So, if I'd known then what I've learned since I painted the whole car I'd probably used enamel.

I've had good luck dabbing paint into the scratch and then sanding and buffing.

jack orchard · 07-01-2016, 11:59 AM

Anyone tried tractor enamel from Tractor Supply?

corvette8n · 07-01-2016, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack orchard

Anyone tried tractor enamel from Tractor Supply?

Not yet but have been thinking about it, I'll let you know if I do.

1949f1 · 07-01-2016, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jack orchard

Anyone tried tractor enamel from Tractor Supply?

Planning on it soon with one of my off topic cars. I'll let you know.

Floyd · 07-01-2016, 01:57 PM

to clear up some info from above. DuPont Nason single stage is available from your DuPont dealer here in California as of this date. (painted the 32 with it, looks great)
just an opinion

hulleywoodworking · 07-01-2016, 03:43 PM

Have you thought about using Southern Polyurethane (SPI)? http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com/

I have been using their Epoxy Primer on my '51 Ford F1, and have painted the fan shroud and steering column with their Single Stage Black Urethane. The epoxy is easy to spray and very tough; the Single Stage lays out nicely and buffs beautifully.

I have also used their 2 part clear coat on a number of projects. Last year, I helped a friend make new veneered console and dash panels for his '72 Fiat; we finished them with SPI clear, and buffed them to a high gloss. A year later they are still perfect.

SPI also has 3 different reds.

Their pricing is excellent, and the customer service is top shelf. They even have a forum for users to discuss the products, critique them, ask questions, and work out problems.

I will be using their SS Black when I paint the '51 F1.

John

06-29-2016, 04:18 PM	#1
waterboychuck Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Nine Mile Falls,WA Posts: 900	Single stage paint question I'm ready to paint my 46 with a single stage paint. I have used PPG Concept on the interior parts and it turned out great. Now I need to buy the paint for the exterior and wonder if there is a difference, other then price, between TCP's restoration shop acrylic urethane and PPG's concept. __________________ The sign of a good craftsman is how well they cover up their mistakes.

06-29-2016, 04:47 PM	#2
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,436	Re: Single stage paint question I agree on the DCC Concept. That is good stuff. I've never used the TCB global stuff so I can't comment on that. If you could get them to match your colors I would use the PPG stuff in a heart beat.

06-29-2016, 06:00 PM	#4
Marvin/TN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chattanooga, TN area Posts: 832	Re: Single stage paint question I never cared for PPG paint and always used Du Pont but each to their own.

06-29-2016, 06:05 PM	#5
Farley's34 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Albany New York Posts: 505	Re: Single stage paint question When used correctly PPG Concept Color is great stuff. I have cars that I painted with it back 20 years ago and they still look beautiful. Can't go wrong in my opinion!

06-29-2016, 07:53 PM	#7
dave collette Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portersville Pa. Posts: 173	Re: Single stage paint question I have painted several cars with PPG concept. If you have the correct blending agents it can easily be spotted in. I have done this many times with no problems.I have done this for stone chips and collision repairs. Concept is very durable finish.It is a great overall finish.

06-29-2016, 09:03 PM	#8
Ken Crans Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Highland,MI Posts: 1,196	Re: Single stage paint question What color are you going with?

06-30-2016, 08:56 AM	#9
waterboychuck Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Nine Mile Falls,WA Posts: 900	Re: Single stage paint question I painted the interior with PPG concept black and it turned out really nice. I'm going for dynamic maroon on the exterior. I noticed that the prices between PPG and TCP are very different that's way I asked. __________________ The sign of a good craftsman is how well they cover up their mistakes.

06-30-2016, 09:30 AM	#10
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,436	Re: Single stage paint question I used Dupont Imron for years but it is no longer available in its original formula. The company is called Axalta now and the Imron available now is nothing to write home about. I would have used PPG Deltron for years but I just didn't have any mixing distributors here in San Antonio. The new Concept even smells just like Deltron (polyisocyanate). I could easily spot repair Deltron by misting a finely sanded surface with reducer prior to shooting the first repair coat. You just have to wait till the fine mist dries then hit it. After the paint is on you lightly mist it again to get it to meld in. I haven't tried it with the newer Concept put I wouldn't be afraid to try. I always had better luck with Deltron than I did the old Imron. You can rub and polish the stuff better than Imron. It can be applied successfully by folks that have never used it. Like any paint, it can run and sag but that can generally be avoided with experience.

06-30-2016, 05:27 PM	#11
flathead48 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Saratoga Springs, NY Posts: 1,110	Re: Single stage paint question Unless things have changed, TCP told me a few years ago they could no longer sell single stage paint. Ca restriction . I have used a lot of PPG paint, good but very pricy, I priced Monsoon Marone last year from PPG and it was around $750.00 a gallon.

06-30-2016, 06:05 PM	#12
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,436	Re: Single stage paint question The reds are always the most expensive. They use the most complex combinations of color pigments and some are expensive to produce. In general, a lot of high dollar chemicals are used as well. The stuff hasn't gotten cheaper over the years for sure. It started getting more expensive way back when they had to take the lead out. Many of the chemicals are not legal to produce unless very strict safety protocall is observed. Some folks may remember what happened in Bhopal India. That stuff was methyl isocyanate but it's not all that different than polyisocyanate.

07-01-2016, 10:25 AM	#13
waterboychuck Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Nine Mile Falls,WA Posts: 900	Re: Single stage paint question Here's the link to the paint I was talking about. It's priced at $200 a gallon which is a quarter the price of PPG. Has anyone used it? http://www.tcpglobal.com/restoration...chsheet_au.pdf __________________ The sign of a good craftsman is how well they cover up their mistakes.

07-01-2016, 10:35 AM	#14
mrtexas Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sugar Land, TX Posts: 4,395	Re: Single stage paint question I've used TCP single stage paint on several cars and PPG on one. Got the PPG from TCP before they had their own line of paint. They sell TCP single stage but not PPG single stage anymore. 2 gallons of TCP red to allow for mistakes is $1,000 less expensive than 2 gallons of PPG. Granted you don't probably need 2 gallons of paint but trying to match when you run out of one gallon because of a mistake is a lot of trouble if you don't have the best paint dealer in the world locally that can make a perfect match quart. I made that mistake on 3 cars before I figured out the smart strategy. I don't know how to blend in a matched paint myself. My latest car I have bought 2 gallons of TCP. Last edited by mrtexas; 07-01-2016 at 11:39 AM.

07-01-2016, 11:59 AM	#16
jack orchard Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: summerfield florida Posts: 383	Re: Single stage paint question Anyone tried tractor enamel from Tractor Supply? __________________ Proud FNG We fixem cars. Heap Good!

07-01-2016, 01:57 PM	#19
Floyd Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 468	Re: Single stage paint question to clear up some info from above. DuPont Nason single stage is available from your DuPont dealer here in California as of this date. (painted the 32 with it, looks great) just an opinion

07-01-2016, 03:43 PM	#20
hulleywoodworking Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 88	Re: Single stage paint question Have you thought about using Southern Polyurethane (SPI)? http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com/ I have been using their Epoxy Primer on my '51 Ford F1, and have painted the fan shroud and steering column with their Single Stage Black Urethane. The epoxy is easy to spray and very tough; the Single Stage lays out nicely and buffs beautifully. I have also used their 2 part clear coat on a number of projects. Last year, I helped a friend make new veneered console and dash panels for his '72 Fiat; we finished them with SPI clear, and buffed them to a high gloss. A year later they are still perfect. SPI also has 3 different reds. Their pricing is excellent, and the customer service is top shelf. They even have a forum for users to discuss the products, critique them, ask questions, and work out problems. I will be using their SS Black when I paint the '51 F1. John