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01-24-2012, 01:59 AM | #1 |
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Rear drum bearing and seal
I just installed one of the seals in the new drum. I repacked the bearing and dropped it in. I then installed the seal. I think I may have gone a little far with the seal as its about 1/8" below the snap ring.
So my question is should the entire bearing rotate inside or is the seal is against it will it prevent it from rotating. The internal rollers seem to roll fine but its still sticky with the new grease. I cant compare to the other side as I have replaced that drum too. I have not installed that seal as of yet. Also which way does the key face. I forgot to mark them when I took them off. |
01-24-2012, 05:51 AM | #2 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
Can you move the bearing in and out at all? If not you'll have to pull the seal back some. It's been a long time since I messed with the rear drums, but as I recall the taper on the key faced in, to fit the curve at the end of the keyway cut.
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01-24-2012, 12:39 PM | #3 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
The bearing does not move front to back. Is there an easy way to move the seal back with out destroying it? It's a pretty snug seal. Was thinking of the one foot drop method but not sure if that wil or damage anything else n the process
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01-24-2012, 01:18 PM | #4 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
I don't know of any good way to pull the seal back without destroying it. Since the seal is holding the bearing tight, I doubt dropping it a foot would loosen it. In fact most of the rear wheel seals I've installed had to be sanded before they would even begin to go in without kinking.
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01-24-2012, 02:37 PM | #5 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
As Steve from Bert's said just drop the drum on a concrete floor and the bearing will
push the seal out. If you leave the snap ring in it should just push the seal up to the snap ring. Bob |
01-24-2012, 02:42 PM | #6 |
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01-24-2012, 03:36 PM | #7 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
I'm with those who are suggesting replacing that seal with a new one. I just went through the seal removal game - until someone invents a seal pulling tool I don't see any safe way to get the seal out without destroying it.
I'm close to reinstalling the bearings and seals on my car - while it's too bad that you are having this problem, thank you for posting about it as doing so should save me from repeating your mistake! |
01-24-2012, 04:32 PM | #8 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
I don't recommend this fix, but go ahead. What have you got to loose... besides a $100 drum and $75 labor charge to mount the new drum and turn it . Let us know how it works out for you.... If you do drop it on floor, be sure to check for cracks and out of round before you install it!
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01-24-2012, 04:52 PM | #9 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
I am viewing a cut away view of the bearing in the hub. It is showing a space between the snap ring and the seal of what looks to be about 1/8". The bearings are in a cage and do not rotate against the seal or the hub. The view shows the seal limiting the lateral movement of the bearing.
I have installed the seals this way in the past and have had no problems.
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01-24-2012, 05:41 PM | #10 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
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I did order a new seal and plan to install the other one tonight in the ther drum. The rollers in the bearing do roll, but the cage they are in dont. The red bearing grease I used is sticky and wonder if that's preventing movement if the age should rotate that hold the rollers. There is no movement front to back of the age. I just don't want to remove and replace the seal if I don't have to. When I removed the seal I found that a large flat nail puller worked great. It gave me leverage and was able to pop the old seal out in abut a minute or so. |
01-24-2012, 05:54 PM | #11 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
The cage must not rotate, if it did, it would wear the hub and the seal. I have found wear like this on bearings that have failed, locking up in the cage and rotating the complete assembly. That gets ugly!
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01-24-2012, 06:03 PM | #12 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
Thinking more about this....why does the bearing cage need to be free to move? If the rollers are free to move, then they will spin as the hub rotates on the axle. And, as silvertop suggests, a rotating cage would wear either the seal or the hub. If so, then why would there be a need to move the seal back out to the snap ring? Just questions from a relative newbie!
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01-24-2012, 06:15 PM | #13 |
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The illustration that I refered to is on page 23 of a publication copyright, 1928 by The Norman W. Henley Publishing Co. and has been reprinted by Floyd Clymer. (Clymer Repair Manuals)
Pilotdave, you have it right, the lateral movement needs to be controled, and the illustration confirms that.
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01-24-2012, 06:23 PM | #14 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
If the cage can't rotate, neither can the rollers.
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01-24-2012, 07:08 PM | #15 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
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I would like to see the bearing "float" say .010". But even if the cage is tight, the rollers are still going to rotate. Are WE missing something? No shot, just thinking. Dudley |
01-24-2012, 07:20 PM | #16 |
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Re: Rear drum bearing and seal
Why, then is the darn snap ring groove so far away? And like Tom said, the rollers won't move either. I know some rear bearings have the roller "pins" that ride in the holes of the cage, whereas I think the re-pro's are solid cages.
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01-24-2012, 07:44 PM | #17 |
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If the the cage has to rotate in order for the rollers to rotate, wouldn't that wear out the end plate (or some other vital part of the assembly) of the cage in short order?
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01-24-2012, 08:04 PM | #18 |
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No, because there is really no side pressure on the rollers or cage. If the cage is stout enough you might try to loosen it by poking a screwdriver through from the other side and tap on the inner edge of the cage by the seal. My guess is the cage might bend before the seal moves though.
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