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Phil G · 02-07-2022, 12:50 PM

Hi All
1949 - 1951 L head Lincoln. Will it bolt up to a 41 ford transmission? Will it fit length wise in the 41. flywheel & clutch fit? what problems would i run into trying to do this? any help will be appreciated

19Fordy · 02-07-2022, 01:43 PM

Phil, You might want to reconsider installing the Lincoln engine in your 41. It's a boat anchor about twice the weight of the 51 Merc engine. Plus, it would require modifications as it's a large engine.

Read these threads about 337 Lincoln transplant.
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...+engine+weight and this
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...gine+pros+cons

tubman · 02-07-2022, 01:50 PM

The main problem with these engines is that they are very heavy. When I was in high school, a couple of local guys put one in a '53 Ford. I was there to get it running for them. When they got it in, it dropped the front suspension right on the bump stops. I was done with them after I got it running. They abandoned the project soon after for some reason. It never saw the road and disappeared soon after.

If they could get one in a '53, you can probably get one in a '41, but it's probably not a good idea. "Just because you can doesn't mean you should."

19Fordy · 02-07-2022, 01:54 PM

I think the biggest problem you will face in the weight of the Lincoln engine. It is almost twice the weight of a 49-51 Merc. A very inefficient boat anchor that will turn into a money pit pretty quick.

Ol' Ron · 02-07-2022, 06:36 PM

Besides the weight of the engine, it won't bolt up to the early trans. If ot's free, it's too expensive.
Gramps

5851a · 02-07-2022, 07:35 PM

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I always liked the idea of that big flathead. So much engineering for such a short life span though. Have read they weigh around 850#. An early Chrysler Hemi is only 100 pounds lighter. A friend had a F-8? with one in it, the radiator probably weighed more than I did at the time. He had a spare engine from a Lincoln, it looked so odd with a P/S pump bolted to the head. Would make an interesting swap if well executed $.

Henry Floored · 02-07-2022, 08:21 PM

Ken Austin put one in a ‘39 Ford convertible sedan and did pretty well with it.

Did anyone see the Edsel Ford ‘34 “Special” clone that was displayed at the Grand National Roadster Show last weekend?

It has a 337” Lincoln in it backed up by a Chevy trans. H & H Flatheads have the Austin aluminum heads and intake for the Lincoln Flathead.

I’ll see if I can find pictures or a link to the video.

Henry Floored · 02-07-2022, 08:26 PM

Try this:

https://www.facebook.com/10741227301...1186096652649/

rotorwrench · 02-07-2022, 08:38 PM

The 337 was used from 1949 through 1951. The 317 Y-block was used from 1952 through 1954 on Lincolns.

Zeke3 · 02-07-2022, 08:39 PM

That is a sweet looking installation. I was trying to figure out how they did the radiator hose clamps on that thing, it looks like 0.032" safety wire to me.

38 coupe · 02-07-2022, 08:41 PM

The 337 does not weigh twice a Mercury engine. It is heavy. A fellow on the HAMB put one on a scale to get actual weight, 700 lbs as measured: https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...athead.832985/

I agree it doesn't make sense to install one in a 41 Ford. You have to find a McBar adapter (made in small numbers in the 50s) or make your own version. Anything is possible, but not a compelling reason in this case.

The three people I am aware of who have running 337s report very good performance. The report that most surprised me is the guy who has both an F-6 cab over with a supercharged Mercury engine and a pretty stock 337 in an F-7 four wheel drive conversion. He reports the 337 out performs the blown Merc: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...l#post10631326

V8COOPMAN · 02-07-2022, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry Floored

Try this:

https://www.facebook.com/10741227301...1186096652649/

Sounds almost like the dump truck that it likely came out of. DD
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51 MERC-CT · 02-08-2022, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke3

That is a sweet looking installation. I was trying to figure out how they did the radiator hose clamps on that thing, it looks like 0.032" safety wire to me.

It's done with a Clamptite tool. (been around for a number of years)
see here-------
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXVnmMjFk4

deuce lover · 02-08-2022, 04:59 AM

Here is a nice one.

V8COOPMAN · 02-08-2022, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke3

That is a sweet looking installation. I was trying to figure out how they did the radiator hose clamps on that thing, it looks like 0.032" safety wire to me.

Below is what MIGHT be called a better video of the ClampTite Tool. Kind'a slick! DD

https://youtu.be/982bm_fEm7c

Tim Ayers · 02-08-2022, 08:07 AM

Not sure. The Conforth team ran one in a period correct modified/sprint car at TROG and tore up the competition. Must have some value.

34PKUP · 02-08-2022, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN

Below is what MIGHT be called a better video of the ClampTite Tool. Kind'a slick! DD

https://youtu.be/982bm_fEm7c

Na' we liked the video in post #13 better.

19Fordy · 02-08-2022, 10:08 AM

Na', #17 gives a lot more detailed info.

Phil G · 02-08-2022, 12:05 PM

Thank you all
Now its back to looking for a 49 - 53 Ford Or mercury motor. Sounds to me like you all just saved me a lot of expense and trouble I don't need. I am just trying to put together a daily driver. 41 2 door Sudan very little rot. Most all of it is there.
Again Thank you for all of the help

Phil

Henry Floored · 02-08-2022, 02:43 PM

If you own the 337 Lincoln engine and are now not going to use it please put me on the list of interested parties.

02-07-2022, 01:43 PM	#2
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,950	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor Phil, You might want to reconsider installing the Lincoln engine in your 41. It's a boat anchor about twice the weight of the 51 Merc engine. Plus, it would require modifications as it's a large engine. Read these threads about 337 Lincoln transplant. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...+engine+weight and this https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...gine+pros+cons Last edited by 19Fordy; 02-07-2022 at 02:06 PM.

02-07-2022, 01:50 PM	#3
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,320	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor The main problem with these engines is that they are very heavy. When I was in high school, a couple of local guys put one in a '53 Ford. I was there to get it running for them. When they got it in, it dropped the front suspension right on the bump stops. I was done with them after I got it running. They abandoned the project soon after for some reason. It never saw the road and disappeared soon after. If they could get one in a '53, you can probably get one in a '41, but it's probably not a good idea. "Just because you can doesn't mean you should."

02-07-2022, 01:54 PM	#4
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,950	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor I think the biggest problem you will face in the weight of the Lincoln engine. It is almost twice the weight of a 49-51 Merc. A very inefficient boat anchor that will turn into a money pit pretty quick.

02-07-2022, 06:36 PM	#5
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor Besides the weight of the engine, it won't bolt up to the early trans. If ot's free, it's too expensive. Gramps

02-07-2022, 07:35 PM	#6
5851a Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: NE Iowa Posts: 1,664	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I always liked the idea of that big flathead. So much engineering for such a short life span though. Have read they weigh around 850#. An early Chrysler Hemi is only 100 pounds lighter. A friend had a F-8? with one in it, the radiator probably weighed more than I did at the time. He had a spare engine from a Lincoln, it looked so odd with a P/S pump bolted to the head. Would make an interesting swap if well executed $.

02-07-2022, 12:50 PM	#1
Phil G Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Villisca Iowa Posts: 19	49 53 Lincoln motor Hi All 1949 - 1951 L head Lincoln. Will it bolt up to a 41 ford transmission? Will it fit length wise in the 41. flywheel & clutch fit? what problems would i run into trying to do this? any help will be appreciated

02-07-2022, 08:21 PM	#7
Henry Floored Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 583	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor Ken Austin put one in a ‘39 Ford convertible sedan and did pretty well with it. Did anyone see the Edsel Ford ‘34 “Special” clone that was displayed at the Grand National Roadster Show last weekend? It has a 337” Lincoln in it backed up by a Chevy trans. H & H Flatheads have the Austin aluminum heads and intake for the Lincoln Flathead. I’ll see if I can find pictures or a link to the video.

02-07-2022, 08:26 PM	#8
Henry Floored Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 583	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor Try this: https://www.facebook.com/10741227301...1186096652649/

02-07-2022, 08:38 PM	#9
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,436	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor The 337 was used from 1949 through 1951. The 317 Y-block was used from 1952 through 1954 on Lincolns.

02-07-2022, 08:39 PM	#10
Zeke3 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 1,407	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor That is a sweet looking installation. I was trying to figure out how they did the radiator hose clamps on that thing, it looks like 0.032" safety wire to me.

02-07-2022, 08:41 PM	#11
38 coupe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Texas Posts: 1,631	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor The 337 does not weigh twice a Mercury engine. It is heavy. A fellow on the HAMB put one on a scale to get actual weight, 700 lbs as measured: https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...athead.832985/ I agree it doesn't make sense to install one in a 41 Ford. You have to find a McBar adapter (made in small numbers in the 50s) or make your own version. Anything is possible, but not a compelling reason in this case. The three people I am aware of who have running 337s report very good performance. The report that most surprised me is the guy who has both an F-6 cab over with a supercharged Mercury engine and a pretty stock 337 in an F-7 four wheel drive conversion. He reports the 337 out performs the blown Merc: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...l#post10631326

02-08-2022, 08:07 AM	#16
Tim Ayers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 6,181	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor Not sure. The Conforth team ran one in a period correct modified/sprint car at TROG and tore up the competition. Must have some value.

02-08-2022, 10:08 AM	#18
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,950	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor Na', #17 gives a lot more detailed info.

02-08-2022, 12:05 PM	#19
Phil G Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Villisca Iowa Posts: 19	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor Thank you all Now its back to looking for a 49 - 53 Ford Or mercury motor. Sounds to me like you all just saved me a lot of expense and trouble I don't need. I am just trying to put together a daily driver. 41 2 door Sudan very little rot. Most all of it is there. Again Thank you for all of the help Phil

02-08-2022, 02:43 PM	#20
Henry Floored Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 583	Re: 49 53 Lincoln motor If you own the 337 Lincoln engine and are now not going to use it please put me on the list of interested parties.