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donQ · 11-30-2017, 05:29 PM

A friend had a stuck engine that we were able to free up with a 50-50 mixture of ATF and acetone. The engine will continue to be stored for some time.Will leaving the acetone /ATF mixture in the engine cause problems or should it be cranked out of the engine and the oil changed?
donQ

FrankWest · 11-30-2017, 05:55 PM

I will put half motor oil and half Marvel Mystery Oil that will keep forever.

GB SISSON · 11-30-2017, 05:58 PM

I might be tempted to get a small funnel and introduce something with some clinging power like chainsaw bar oil. Then turn it over a few times. Will it be possible to turn it over once or twice a year til restoration time?

chap52 · 11-30-2017, 06:03 PM

I wouldn't let it sit "forever" with the 50/50/in it. The acetone will evaporate and you will be left with who knows what? If you hand crank it a few revs every couple of weeks I would put oil in it and maybe even squirt a little in each cylinder before turning. Hand cranking is not going to pump oil into the system.

Ggmac · 11-30-2017, 07:27 PM

I fill the crankcase and water passages with used motor oil . Something my father did . I recently tore a small block Chevy I stored since 1989 and once drained it cranked and was clean inside , the oil removed all gunk and settled it in the pan . I also fill each cyl and intake as much as possible . It was stored in a shed , dry but not air conditioned . I live in south Florida where humidity is 80 plus .

Lanny · 11-30-2017, 08:25 PM

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As said by chap52, the acetone will evaporate, and quite quickly unless it
is in a sealed container.
I have been experimenting with the 50/50 mix. I have had a very rusty
bolt soaking in a sealed jar of 50/50 mix for well over a year now.
Every so often, I take the rusty bolt out to see if I can get the rusty nut
to budge, but I can NOT get it to move at all, even with 1/2" drive tools.

For the first 1/2 year, I added more acetone every time I opened the
jar to check the rusty nut and bolt, hopeing that it would soon do the job.
So, it's well over a year now, and I just checked it again a few minuets ago,
and the nut still won't budge.

If anyone is getting rusty stuff to come loose with the 50/50 mix, then, in
my opinion, it was not very rusty, and would have come loose using dang
near any thing.

If the 50/50 mix worked good on rusty stuff, some big company would have
been marketing it by now.
My experiment has shown the 50/50 mix to be a joke.

I had an equally rusty nut and bolt soaking in PB Blaster for a few days
and the nut finally broke loose using the big 1/2" drive tools.

.

tubman · 11-30-2017, 09:35 PM

Lanny,

Just curious; have you tried your trick with candle wax yet?

Denny

Lanny · 11-30-2017, 09:45 PM

Denny, I have used paraffin wax on tight threaded bolts or plugs,
using just a little heat so the wax melts into the treads.
I use this method where you don't want to heat red hot.

I have never tried wax on real rusty threads.
I would just heat them red hot if you can.

.

donQ · 12-01-2017, 05:59 PM

Thanks for the input. We will be able to add oil and turn it over once or twice a year. I had forgotten about the acetone evaporating. Chainsaw bar oil sounds like a good idea and from your avatar GB, it looks like you've got a lot of experience with chain saw bar oil.
Thanks again,
donQ

GB SISSON · 12-01-2017, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donQ

Thanks for the input. We will be able to add oil and turn it over once or twice a year. I had forgotten about the acetone evaporating. Chainsaw bar oil sounds like a good idea and from your avatar GB, it looks like you've got a lot of experience with chain saw bar oil.
Thanks again,
donQ

It is very 'clingy'.....

Mart · 12-02-2017, 04:59 AM

I'm not sure, but in my mind, if the acetone evaporates out of the 50 50 mix, you are left with ATF. Which is basically an oil, so not a bad thing to have left in there.

I'd just apply oil to the cylinders and turn it over at least 2 full turns when convenient. Once or twice a year sounds ok. Twice being better than once.

Mart.

11-30-2017, 05:29 PM	#1
donQ Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 146	freed up stuck engine A friend had a stuck engine that we were able to free up with a 50-50 mixture of ATF and acetone. The engine will continue to be stored for some time.Will leaving the acetone /ATF mixture in the engine cause problems or should it be cranked out of the engine and the oil changed? donQ

11-30-2017, 05:55 PM	#2
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: freed up stuck engine I will put half motor oil and half Marvel Mystery Oil that will keep forever.

11-30-2017, 05:58 PM	#3
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 4,953	Re: freed up stuck engine I might be tempted to get a small funnel and introduce something with some clinging power like chainsaw bar oil. Then turn it over a few times. Will it be possible to turn it over once or twice a year til restoration time? __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1947 Tonner Pickup (red) mostly stock with exception of a cummins 6at turbo diesel, 1946 Tonner Pickup (green) with 226 cu in 6 cyl flathead, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, completely encased in 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. Ok, cornbinder rear fenders..... 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

11-30-2017, 06:03 PM	#4
chap52 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Marana Arizona Posts: 1,776	Re: freed up stuck engine I wouldn't let it sit "forever" with the 50/50/in it. The acetone will evaporate and you will be left with who knows what? If you hand crank it a few revs every couple of weeks I would put oil in it and maybe even squirt a little in each cylinder before turning. Hand cranking is not going to pump oil into the system.

11-30-2017, 07:27 PM	#5
Ggmac Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Lake worth Florida Posts: 1,104	Re: freed up stuck engine I fill the crankcase and water passages with used motor oil . Something my father did . I recently tore a small block Chevy I stored since 1989 and once drained it cranked and was clean inside , the oil removed all gunk and settled it in the pan . I also fill each cyl and intake as much as possible . It was stored in a shed , dry but not air conditioned . I live in south Florida where humidity is 80 plus .

11-30-2017, 08:25 PM	#6
Lanny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mn Posts: 2,411	Re: freed up stuck engine Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) As said by chap52, the acetone will evaporate, and quite quickly unless it is in a sealed container. I have been experimenting with the 50/50 mix. I have had a very rusty bolt soaking in a sealed jar of 50/50 mix for well over a year now. Every so often, I take the rusty bolt out to see if I can get the rusty nut to budge, but I can NOT get it to move at all, even with 1/2" drive tools. For the first 1/2 year, I added more acetone every time I opened the jar to check the rusty nut and bolt, hopeing that it would soon do the job. So, it's well over a year now, and I just checked it again a few minuets ago, and the nut still won't budge. If anyone is getting rusty stuff to come loose with the 50/50 mix, then, in my opinion, it was not very rusty, and would have come loose using dang near any thing. If the 50/50 mix worked good on rusty stuff, some big company would have been marketing it by now. My experiment has shown the 50/50 mix to be a joke. I had an equally rusty nut and bolt soaking in PB Blaster for a few days and the nut finally broke loose using the big 1/2" drive tools. . __________________ If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. But if daddy ain't happy...RUN Last edited by Lanny; 11-30-2017 at 09:46 PM.

11-30-2017, 09:35 PM	#7
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,321	Re: freed up stuck engine Lanny, Just curious; have you tried your trick with candle wax yet? Denny

11-30-2017, 09:45 PM	#8
Lanny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mn Posts: 2,411	Re: freed up stuck engine Denny, I have used paraffin wax on tight threaded bolts or plugs, using just a little heat so the wax melts into the treads. I use this method where you don't want to heat red hot. I have never tried wax on real rusty threads. I would just heat them red hot if you can. . __________________ If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. But if daddy ain't happy...RUN

12-01-2017, 05:59 PM	#9
donQ Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 146	Re: freed up stuck engine Thanks for the input. We will be able to add oil and turn it over once or twice a year. I had forgotten about the acetone evaporating. Chainsaw bar oil sounds like a good idea and from your avatar GB, it looks like you've got a lot of experience with chain saw bar oil. Thanks again, donQ

12-02-2017, 04:59 AM	#11
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,756	Re: freed up stuck engine I'm not sure, but in my mind, if the acetone evaporates out of the 50 50 mix, you are left with ATF. Which is basically an oil, so not a bad thing to have left in there. I'd just apply oil to the cylinders and turn it over at least 2 full turns when convenient. Once or twice a year sounds ok. Twice being better than once. Mart.