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[email protected] · 12-08-2011, 11:08 AM

My T has been leaving it's mark everywhere I go with it. I tightened everything I could put a wrench or screwdriver on. So I've pulled the engine now and pulled the hogs head off. While I was pulling out the pan bolts everyone of them had a star washer on them. Is it possible these star washers were causing the oil to seep through them and therefore make a mess everywhere I went with it?

Farmallcub49 · 12-08-2011, 03:47 PM

Could be, especially that they are the wrong washers. You are working on a Ford right? Star washers are for a Star car, not a Ford.

Doug Money · 12-08-2011, 05:33 PM

The pan bolts should have sealer on them and no washers.

rgm84 · 12-08-2011, 05:46 PM

Star washers are not designed to be a sealer style washer.

Jack Innes · 12-08-2011, 06:31 PM

The original bolts are drilled & the nuts are castellated. Regular split lock washers & cotter pins are used to lock them. All have the nuts to the top except one under the timer, it can short out a termial. If everything is ok the gasket should hold the oil in but after about 100 years things can be out of shape a bit & can leak around the bolts. Mac's has a set of bolts with rubber coated washers to combat this - http://macsautoparts.com/ford-model-...0R3CHL1095030/

( Oso Handy, if you take a Continental engine out of a Star & put it in a Durrant, do you have to change the pan washers??)

Farmallcub49 · 12-08-2011, 07:44 PM

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Jack,

No, you just need to change the heifer rod that connects the bull pinion.

I know Mike real well, I have to pull his chain when I can.

[email protected] · 12-08-2011, 08:33 PM

Careful Andy, I don't think you should be pulling my chain without buying me flowers first. Geez, ever since my divorce I've got everyone hitting on me. Remember what I told you at the show at St Joe.

redmodelt · 12-08-2011, 10:29 PM

No the star washers would not cause oil to leak. The pan to block/trans cover bolts are all outside of where there would be oil leaking. What would cause problems is over tightening the bolts and putting a bulge in the lip of the pan so oil could leak between the pan/gasket/block.
The inspection cover on the bottom is a different story. They are in direct contact with the engine oil. No lock washers there. some sort of sealer works good there. You do not need to use a cotter pin in the pan to block bolts if you use a lock washer.

12-08-2011, 11:08 AM	#1
[email protected] Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 937	Star washers My T has been leaving it's mark everywhere I go with it. I tightened everything I could put a wrench or screwdriver on. So I've pulled the engine now and pulled the hogs head off. While I was pulling out the pan bolts everyone of them had a star washer on them. Is it possible these star washers were causing the oil to seep through them and therefore make a mess everywhere I went with it?

12-08-2011, 03:47 PM	#2
Farmallcub49 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: St Joseph,MN Posts: 278	Re: Star washers Could be, especially that they are the wrong washers. You are working on a Ford right? Star washers are for a Star car, not a Ford. __________________ 'OSO HANDY RESTORATIONS Specializing in Model T Fords 320-293-1953

12-08-2011, 05:33 PM	#3
Doug Money Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 350	Re: Star washers The pan bolts should have sealer on them and no washers.

12-08-2011, 05:46 PM	#4
rgm84 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Lakeview, Oregon Posts: 22	Re: Star washers Star washers are not designed to be a sealer style washer. __________________ [email protected] In His Name, Mike

12-08-2011, 06:31 PM	#5
Jack Innes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Brooklin, Ontario Posts: 704	Re: Star washers The original bolts are drilled & the nuts are castellated. Regular split lock washers & cotter pins are used to lock them. All have the nuts to the top except one under the timer, it can short out a termial. If everything is ok the gasket should hold the oil in but after about 100 years things can be out of shape a bit & can leak around the bolts. Mac's has a set of bolts with rubber coated washers to combat this - http://macsautoparts.com/ford-model-...0R3CHL1095030/ ( Oso Handy, if you take a Continental engine out of a Star & put it in a Durrant, do you have to change the pan washers??)

12-08-2011, 07:44 PM	#6
Farmallcub49 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: St Joseph,MN Posts: 278	Re: Star washers Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Jack, No, you just need to change the heifer rod that connects the bull pinion. I know Mike real well, I have to pull his chain when I can. __________________ 'OSO HANDY RESTORATIONS Specializing in Model T Fords 320-293-1953

12-08-2011, 08:33 PM	#7
[email protected] Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 937	Re: Star washers Careful Andy, I don't think you should be pulling my chain without buying me flowers first. Geez, ever since my divorce I've got everyone hitting on me. Remember what I told you at the show at St Joe.

12-08-2011, 10:29 PM	#8
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,340	Re: Star washers No the star washers would not cause oil to leak. The pan to block/trans cover bolts are all outside of where there would be oil leaking. What would cause problems is over tightening the bolts and putting a bulge in the lip of the pan so oil could leak between the pan/gasket/block. The inspection cover on the bottom is a different story. They are in direct contact with the engine oil. No lock washers there. some sort of sealer works good there. You do not need to use a cotter pin in the pan to block bolts if you use a lock washer.