Painting--one or two stage

[Lawson Cox]

Ahhh yes; but getting all of this type thinking and planning to come together at the same time. Priceless.

[barnfind]

I have had many cars sprayed at the high volume shops after doing my own body work. Just don't expect a guarantee - if you can get them to spray the car.
Some side money or a case of beer or two can make a difference sometimes.

[19Fordy]

I painted my 40 with Martin Senour Blackk 8800 single stage enamel (with urethane hardner) in 1988 and it still is really nice like the day I painted it. BUT YOU MUST WEAR A FULL MASK AND PAINT UNIFORM. Here's more info.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...estion.605415/

[waterboychuck]

So with these two different type of painting methods I would have to say the bccc would be better,BUT, when painting our cars with the original color which does not have metallic in it does it really matter?

[deuce_roadster]

To my eye, the clear coat give the paint a "plastic" look. It looks great on my 2015 F150. If that is what you like, go for it.

[rockfla]

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Deuce Roadster, your right, BCCC looks "plastic-EE". One of our cars is PPG BCCC and it just doesn't have that "original" look. Our current project is PPG Concept single stage and we are VERY satisfied with the results. @ Bill, I'd go #1 is BCCC, #2 Single Stage and #3 is BCCC. Now do we get the honest answer? Felix 37 is right, the local Maaco Paint shop has probably one of the best pure painters in town, the shop manager, for a couple 100 will let his painter paint your car with your own paint supplies and you buy your own paint and do the prep work (and if you are willing to run your car by before your ready to paint, they'll scope out your work and let you know if you need to do more work on certain areas) and slide the painter a 100 or so (and the case of beer or bottle of Liquor) and waaa-laaaa. A few of the Model A guys here in town have utilized this service, cars look good.

[Ralph Moore]

I remember when I was in Korea in the Army many years ago, when our Army trucks got to looking ragged, we would grab the paint, a case of PBR, and a $20 bill . Then head down to the local paint shop( most times it was a small shack with a driveway for a
Paint booth), couple hours later the trucks looked great!
The guy was always busy around IG Inspection times.

[rotorwrench]

In aviation, we generally use single stage. Modern processes with 2-stage are now being used on a regular basis to get the shine & depth. If it sets out in the sun a lot, as a lot of airplanes and helicopters do, then the single stage is still best.

I like the PPG Concept which is very much like the old Deltron Acrylic Urethane but I don't have a good PPG distributor in my area. I've been using Dupont Imron instead but is is not quite as easy to use plus it was bought out by Axalta and is now something else all together called Imron Elite SS. It can be purchased in both 1-stage and 2-stage but it isn't half the quality of the old Imron. I think it's also an acrylic urethane with the BCCC a polyester urethane and urethane clear.

Now days I know what the old guys felt like when the acrylics first came out. You could no longer get the quality lacquer that you were used to and the straight enamels pretty much disappeared for the acrylic enamels. The newer products were better for the most part but there is still a learning curve to get a product you like for most projects. It's a way lot more expensive now than it was back then so you can't afford to play around with the stuff too much.

[Beecher]

I know of a black duece, where the bulk of the car is one, and the parts or the other, I can tell that they are not the same, but I cant tell which is which. And that is only because they were painted 20 years ago, so the black is not bang on. IF I remember correctly, the body is BcCC while the hood and rad shell is single stage. And both look amazing. I was a auto detailer by trade for many years, and a shop I did the bulk of my work for always fretted getting cars back that were almost too good to be true, cuase I could always tell them how many panels had been repainted. IF I were doing a metallic, then BcCC, I find single stage mettalics way too difficult to deal will, took a lot of work to get my 40 metallic sand dash to look right, and every piece had to be done at the same time, assembled and at its finished angle, other wise it all looked different. IF I were doing a non metallic, id do a single stage.

[cmbrucew]

I believe Rotorwrench hit the nail on the head.
If the car is outside, use single stage. Other wise the clear will give you problems.
No matter who sprays it.
Bruce

[tiger.1000]

Here's a Brit with a silly question....."Is single stage" the much loved, old fashioned cellulose paint? If so; nothing beats it for a finish "you can swim in"

[john worden]

Single stage refers to a finish that according to the manufacturer does not require a clear coat.

[rockfla]

John.....Do we not get answers to your query on the three photo's and which is BCCC and Single Stage??????

[rockfla]

#1 40 Ford.....BCCC
#2 Model T......Single Stage
#3 HotRod......BCCC

That's my guess!!

[john worden]

Let's see some more guesses. Thanks.

[waterboychuck]

I agree with rockfla.

[mrtexas]

Originally Posted by deuce_roadster

To my eye, the clear coat give the paint a "plastic" look. It looks great on my 2015 F150. If that is what you like, go for it.

You can buff the clear to get any sheen you want, plasticy or flat.

[felix37]

If you really want great look with single stage, like to mix clear in my last coat. Gives it a deep shine.

[john worden]

40 Ford. Glasurit Urethane Acrylic single stage BMW Avus black

15 Milburn. Dupont Chromabase base/clear black and Rodeway Express Blue.

38 Chev. House of Color Deep Plum Pearl base/clear.

[Mart]

Tiger: This is what I think.

Single stage refers to what we call 2-Pack.
Bccc is base coat clear coat pretty self explanatory.

What we call cellulose is what they call a laquer paint job.

I think.

Mart.