The Ford Barn

Fordors · 05-30-2016, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rotorwrench

These old frames get rusted out. I see no reason why a person can't do a re-stamp after a related repair. I don't condone fraud but there is room for non-fraudulent use of stamps in my book.

Well said and I most definitely agree. As far as stamping an early Ford goes though I would stamp with no guide lines, just as was done BITD on the assembly line.

johnny · 05-30-2016, 08:04 PM

I replaced the frame on a38 ,so cut the SN. area from the original and bolted it to the replacement in the correct area .Johnny.

bobH · 05-30-2016, 09:32 PM

Probably unrelated, possibly remotely related... I was admiring a 32 3W street rod at a car show. The SN was clearly visible, and I immediately noticed it was NOT a 32 SN, and also that it was clearly a factory stamping. I made a note of the number, and later looked it up. The SN on this frame was for a 41, and the fabricator had obviously and carefully grafted it into that repro, street-rod 32 frame. Though not exactly related, my point is that somewhere along here is a line, if crossed, leans towards fraud. Point, be careful. In my state, I'm pretty sure that ANY re-stamp is illegal. Not sure about that, but worth looking up if one is tempted. Just opinion...
I'm aware of, and have first-hand knowledge of, one example where the person with a 32 (not the example above) had the car impounded by the state, and as far as I'm aware, I believe it was 'bye-bye-car'. I happened to be the party with the correct, original 32, which happened to have a serial number that duplicated the number the other person had been using. Actually, I'm not sure of the final outcome, as I was friends with the DMV Manager that caught this, and a deal could have been made with the other party for him to bring his car into compliance. My DMV Manager-friend suggested that a deal was possible.

cas3 · 05-30-2016, 10:42 PM

slightly OT, but i have a 34 canadian frame which they used larger stamps, like maybe 7/16, on most of the numbers, but one or two(i forget) are the same size as the trans numbers, 3/8 or so. i sanded down to clean metal and cant see any sign of tampering, i wonder did the guy on the line that day drop his big punch and use the little one until lunch break!!! i havnt applied for title yet, but i bet they wont like it

Mike51Merc · 05-31-2016, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobH

Probably unrelated, possibly remotely related... I was admiring a 32 3W street rod at a car show. The SN was clearly visible, and I immediately noticed it was NOT a 32 SN, and also that it was clearly a factory stamping. I made a note of the number, and later looked it up. The SN on this frame was for a 41, and the fabricator had obviously and carefully grafted it into that repro, street-rod 32 frame. Though not exactly related, my point is that somewhere along here is a line, if crossed, leans towards fraud. Point, be careful. In my state, I'm pretty sure that ANY re-stamp is illegal. Not sure about that, but worth looking up if one is tempted. Just opinion...
I'm aware of, and have first-hand knowledge of, one example where the person with a 32 (not the example above) had the car impounded by the state, and as far as I'm aware, I believe it was 'bye-bye-car'. I happened to be the party with the correct, original 32, which happened to have a serial number that duplicated the number the other person had been using. Actually, I'm not sure of the final outcome, as I was friends with the DMV Manager that caught this, and a deal could have been made with the other party for him to bring his car into compliance. My DMV Manager-friend suggested that a deal was possible.

I agree. You may have honest intentions, but you don't want to get caught up trying to defend yourself against accusations of wrongdoing.

JSeery · 05-31-2016, 11:37 AM

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I might be wrong, but it was my understanding that it was illegal to tamper with vehicle ID numbers in any way, including adding additional number locations.

39topless · 05-31-2016, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JSeery

I might be wrong, but it was my understanding that it was illegal to tamper with vehicle ID numbers in any way, including adding additional number locations.

That is absolutely correct, no matter what the "justification" is for doing so. If we can't rely on the accuracy (lawfulness) of the stamped vehicle number, we have nothing.

Tony, NY · 05-31-2016, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by flatrod

Where can I find the star that begins and ends the vin number?

Here it is, for a price...
http://restostamps.com/index.php?opt...id=1&Itemid=26

34pickup · 06-01-2016, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony, NY

Here it is, for a price...
http://restostamps.com/index.php?opt...id=1&Itemid=26

McMaster-Carr has them for $11.

Charlie Stephens · 06-01-2016, 12:55 PM

Since I don't have the whole picture I am going to throw something into the mix. The number on the frame should be visible by lifting the hood. What is wrong with that location? A knowledgeable DMV inspector (if they exist) would look in that location and be suspicious if the number is in a different location.

Charlie Stephens

05-30-2016, 08:04 PM	#22
johnny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: London On, Can. Posts: 377	Re: Good techniques for restamping frame? I replaced the frame on a38 ,so cut the SN. area from the original and bolted it to the replacement in the correct area .Johnny.

05-30-2016, 09:32 PM	#23
bobH Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: so cal, placerville, vegas Posts: 1,394	Re: Good techniques for restamping frame? Probably unrelated, possibly remotely related... I was admiring a 32 3W street rod at a car show. The SN was clearly visible, and I immediately noticed it was NOT a 32 SN, and also that it was clearly a factory stamping. I made a note of the number, and later looked it up. The SN on this frame was for a 41, and the fabricator had obviously and carefully grafted it into that repro, street-rod 32 frame. Though not exactly related, my point is that somewhere along here is a line, if crossed, leans towards fraud. Point, be careful. In my state, I'm pretty sure that ANY re-stamp is illegal. Not sure about that, but worth looking up if one is tempted. Just opinion... I'm aware of, and have first-hand knowledge of, one example where the person with a 32 (not the example above) had the car impounded by the state, and as far as I'm aware, I believe it was 'bye-bye-car'. I happened to be the party with the correct, original 32, which happened to have a serial number that duplicated the number the other person had been using. Actually, I'm not sure of the final outcome, as I was friends with the DMV Manager that caught this, and a deal could have been made with the other party for him to bring his car into compliance. My DMV Manager-friend suggested that a deal was possible. Last edited by bobH; 05-30-2016 at 09:46 PM.

05-30-2016, 10:42 PM	#24
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,574	Re: Good techniques for restamping frame? slightly OT, but i have a 34 canadian frame which they used larger stamps, like maybe 7/16, on most of the numbers, but one or two(i forget) are the same size as the trans numbers, 3/8 or so. i sanded down to clean metal and cant see any sign of tampering, i wonder did the guy on the line that day drop his big punch and use the little one until lunch break!!! i havnt applied for title yet, but i bet they wont like it

05-31-2016, 11:37 AM	#26
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Good techniques for restamping frame? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I might be wrong, but it was my understanding that it was illegal to tamper with vehicle ID numbers in any way, including adding additional number locations.

06-01-2016, 12:55 PM	#30
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,032	Re: Good techniques for restamping frame? Since I don't have the whole picture I am going to throw something into the mix. The number on the frame should be visible by lifting the hood. What is wrong with that location? A knowledgeable DMV inspector (if they exist) would look in that location and be suspicious if the number is in a different location. Charlie Stephens