Townsedan body style poll

[JD Miller]

Our 1931 Briggs is a May production car with flat fire wall. The car has been in the family since 1933. I've had custody of the sedan since 1954 when my Grandfather passed it on to me for safe keeping.

We had an eightieth birthday party for the sedan at this year's IMAD.

Now it's getting ready for Halloween!

[Maclab58]

160 B Murray. Beautifully designed car

[mass A man]

For years now, I've never seen this posted or written about. When I stripped out my '31 160-B Town sedan (March build), I found the pictured logo stamped into only one of the two rear steel brackets that are next to the rear window wood. It is a large "B", with a small "M" in the top of the B, and a small "C" in the bottom of the "B", with an even smaller "O" inset in center of the "C". I'm sorry for the crummy photo's, I was in a hurry tonight here, but I took a larger picture of the body location to give you an idea where the heck it is located. Can anyone else tell me if this is common-place? I can't seem to find another like it anywhere this body. Edited, 1/17/12; I did find this logo stamped in sheet metal bracket that goes in front door pillar areas. I totally agree, ColombiA, you're right, "Briggs" must have made this.

[Perfdavid]

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[Doug in NJ]

I have a indented-firewall 160B, but I have not been able to identify its maker. I looked everywhere, but could not find any markings specific to any body manufacturer. It has about a 50/50 mix of D and caged nuts, no body tag (and no sign that one was ever installed), and no assembly plant code stamped anywhere.

Doug

[Roger V]

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Originally Posted by Jeff P. / MN

Mike,
One way to tell Murray vs Briggs on the 160's is the shape of the encapsulated nuts on the gas tank. I cannot remember which for sure, but I think "D" shaped ones were used by Murray and Hex ones were used by Briggs. My 160-B was determined to be a Murray by the muslin material (stamped "Murray Boby Corp") under the original rotted upholstery. Jeff P. / MN

Murray bodies had square cage nuts whereas Briggs had "D" nuts clinched in "D" shaped holes. Check the firewall nut for the speedometer cable clamp and the nut for the wire loom going to the terminal box. Yes, in other areas like the slantwindow front door post filler it has "D" nuts on a Murray.

I have the 160-A and 160-B which are both Murrays.

[norson]

I'm probably out of place asking, But I'm looking for a pair of the center door lock pillars for a '31. Mine is a Briggs (with steel doors). thanks Norm
ps. it seemed like a good place to ask.

[rwp]

Mine is a late 30 Murray.

[1930artdeco]

I thought that I would bring this back as it looks like some new TS have been brought back to life.

Mike

[columbiA]

mass A man..I really think that the logo on your 160B means Briggs Man.Co.To me it makes the most sense that the company name start with the largest letter. I believe my 160B is a Murray,if the caged nuts behind the dash rail are any indication. No body tag-Canadian car,flat firewall.

[Steam Engine Pete]

My 160B has indented firewall, body by Briggs. It has the D shaped nuts all over. The engine is a restamped diamond block with 4705147 on it. If it was restamped correctly I believe it was a June 31 engine originally. Current block is dated 1936. Speedo is dated April 31 and has the Tan Broadcloth? interior that I don't believe started until the end of May 31. Have not been able to find any numbers stamped on the body. Still looking.

It is -5 degrees here right now and I had it out for a spin tonight. I think I will leave it home tomorrow.

Pete

[John LaVoy]

155B late 1929 Briggs

[cabrioletgalaxie]

1931, flat firewall, s/w. If it doesn't have a Briggs body tag I assume it's a Murray? Ford did not make any s/w sedans. According to The Model A Ford as Henry Built it, only the 160B was called a Town Sedan.
My s/w is a survivor with orig. paint, interior and believe it or not a perfect original top. My wife wants me to restore it but it isn't going to happen. I tell her anyone can own a restored car, but she doesn't get it.

[DaveB]

I have a 160B which was assembled in Canada. It is a Murry according to several Canadian "experts" since is has flat bottom drip mouldings. Briggs have round bottom drip mouldings. BTW ... it is a non-indented firewall and has all D-nuts.

[msmaron]

Originally Posted by MikeK

Your poll does NOT have all the body styles! In '31 one of the three slant window fordors, the 160B was a "Town Sedan". The 160's were made by Briggs, Murray, and Ford to identical prints, all body parts interchangable. They were not specifically I.D.'d with a body builders tag, but minor fastener details may reveal who made the particular Slant Window 160x. My Town Sedan (160B) was made by Murray, I think. The 160A was a standard slant fordor and the 160C was a Deluxe blindback slant fordor. I believe, technically, only the 160B was called a "Town Sedan". The 160C was a "Deluxe fordor". I'm not sure why the 160C wasn't a "Blindback Town Sedan".

The 160c was actually a town sedan with all the same appointments and other choices also. Most were made by Briggs

[Gerard]

I have one from 1930 , Maroon / black . resto finished beginning this year

[tuneman]

1930 briggs

[TD]

Mine is a 1929 Murry fall production

[30sedandelivery]

Too late to jump on this TS poll?

Proud new acquisition probably Jan. '30 155C with eyebrow fenders. Late Dec. # and some cross over parts.

[400A-64]

Does anyone have documentation of Which SW Sedans had "D" nuts and which had "Caged"nuts ? Some times folklore gets in the way of fact???
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