The Ford Barn

deuce lover · 12-18-2021, 06:44 AM

Saw these advertised.Never seen them before.
First pic is a Kates,second is a Lawler.

KiWinUS · 12-18-2021, 07:57 AM

I believe the Lawler is of Australian decent.

BW · 12-18-2021, 08:21 AM

If you get a chance to go to the Speedway Motors Museum in Lincoln, Nebraska. They have a lot of neat speed parts for flat heads.

Ronnieroadster · 12-18-2021, 03:51 PM

The Kates is a copy of the Columbia casting an intake produced in the US. The Lawler is a copy of the Roof casting also an intake produced the US. The intakes posted are from Australia of New Zealand both country's had many variations of intakes for the Ford flathead. However almost all of them are identical copy's of US intakes with just a name change added. China was not alone making knock off items.
Ronnieroadster

ford38v8 · 12-18-2021, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnieroadster

...China was not alone making knock off items.
Ronnieroadster

We all seem to forget Japan's post WWII copying of cameras and watches. They made some fine products, but all were direct copies.

petehoovie · 12-18-2021, 05:29 PM

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quickchangeV8 · 12-20-2021, 12:51 AM

Actually the Kates intake manifold is from the Shanafelt pattern and would have been cast in the USA. I have never been able to track down who Kates was or the identity of the intake. Perhaps made by Bill Shanafelt or perhaps not. I have one of the Kates intakes and have found they were made in Oregon. The Kates, Columbia, Lance and Rocket intakes were all cast from the Shanafelt pattern. The Lawler intake is definitely from Australia.

deuce lover · 12-20-2021, 12:58 AM

Here's the Shanafelt also listed on Instagram.

petehoovie · 12-20-2021, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by deuce lover

Here's the Shanafelt also listed on Instagram.

tomcarman · 12-20-2021, 02:21 AM

I'm not sure this falls into this thread however maybe someone has some info on this. A fellow Barner if I recall correctly said this is for a 6 cylinder? Don't remember for sure. It is solid aluminum but dirty from decades in the barn. I don't find any witness marks on it as having ever been installed. Can anybody ID it?

deuce_roadster · 12-20-2021, 11:57 AM

Wow Tom, that is pretty cool! Measure the center to center distance of the top 2 mounting holes from one end to the other, that will give a length to check against some known head or gasket. Very unusual shape. What a neat wall hanger!
I read that Shanafelt taught Edmonds how to cast these things and Shanafelt used his molds and substituted other name plates too. Shanafelt was from the Portland Oregon area.

pistonbroke · 12-20-2021, 01:18 PM

Tom, That's a 201,218 or 230 mopar manifold I ran one on my 36 Dodge pickup. They actually work very well. Tim

itslow · 12-20-2021, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnieroadster

...However almost all of them are identical copy's of US intakes with just a name change added. China was not alone making knock off items.
Ronnieroadster

It's still happening. There are knock-offs parts produced "down under" today of non-vintage parts of US design with just a name change (or name omission).

The "Lawler" intake is the same base design as a "Roof" intake.

Tim Ayers · 12-20-2021, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by itslow

It's still happening. There are knock-offs parts produced "down under" today of non-vintage parts of US design with just a name change (or name omission).

The "Lawler" intake is the same base design as a "Roof" intake.

I find it interesting that the effort it takes to copy an intake, one would think they would select a more successful design to copy.

I wonder if it's because, like recorded music, once it's been in the public domain for a number of years (I believe 50 years), it then becomes OK to copy without infringement lawsuits.

That's how all those no name record labels pump out all those Greatest Hits of the 50's, etc.

tomcarman · 12-20-2021, 10:52 PM

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Tom, That's a 201,218 or 230 mopar manifold I ran one on my 36 Dodge pickup. They actually work very well. Tim

Thanks Tim. If you know anyone who may be interested send me a PM. I have no idea how a Mopar manifold ended up among the Ford stuff. It is kind of stylish though. Maybe I will shine it up and hang it on the wall.
Tom

Tim Ayers · 12-21-2021, 08:11 AM

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Thanks Tim. If you know anyone who may be interested send me a PM. I have no idea how a Mopar manifold ended up among the Ford stuff. It is kind of stylish though. Maybe I will shine it up and hang it on the wall.
Tom

It should polish up nicely. I believe all Edmunds intakes were polished when new.

12-18-2021, 07:57 AM	#2
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12-18-2021, 03:51 PM	#4
Ronnieroadster Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: East Coast in CT Posts: 1,531	Re: Rare intakes? The Kates is a copy of the Columbia casting an intake produced in the US. The Lawler is a copy of the Roof casting also an intake produced the US. The intakes posted are from Australia of New Zealand both country's had many variations of intakes for the Ford flathead. However almost all of them are identical copy's of US intakes with just a name change added. China was not alone making knock off items. Ronnieroadster __________________ I use the F word a lot no not that word these words Flathead , Focus and Finish. "Life Member of the Bonneville 200 MPH Club using a Ford Flathead block" Owner , Builder, Driver of the First Ford Flathead bodied roadster to run 200 MPH Record July 13, 2018 LTA timing association 200.921 in one and a half miles burning gasoline. First ever gas burning Ford flathead powered roadster to run 200 MPH at Bonneville Salt Flats setting the record August 7th 2021 at 205.744 MPH Last edited by Ronnieroadster; 12-18-2021 at 03:58 PM.

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12-20-2021, 12:51 AM	#7
quickchangeV8 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 19	Re: Rare intakes? Actually the Kates intake manifold is from the Shanafelt pattern and would have been cast in the USA. I have never been able to track down who Kates was or the identity of the intake. Perhaps made by Bill Shanafelt or perhaps not. I have one of the Kates intakes and have found they were made in Oregon. The Kates, Columbia, Lance and Rocket intakes were all cast from the Shanafelt pattern. The Lawler intake is definitely from Australia.

12-20-2021, 11:57 AM	#11
deuce_roadster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Shelton, WA Posts: 3,801	Re: Rare intakes? Wow Tom, that is pretty cool! Measure the center to center distance of the top 2 mounting holes from one end to the other, that will give a length to check against some known head or gasket. Very unusual shape. What a neat wall hanger! I read that Shanafelt taught Edmonds how to cast these things and Shanafelt used his molds and substituted other name plates too. Shanafelt was from the Portland Oregon area.

12-20-2021, 01:18 PM	#12
pistonbroke Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Perry Mo. Posts: 488	Re: Rare intakes? Tom, That's a 201,218 or 230 mopar manifold I ran one on my 36 Dodge pickup. They actually work very well. Tim