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Bob P. · 07-09-2010, 05:23 PM

I bought an original radiator shroud for my 29. I have it mounted as high as I can on the radiator, but the top of the fan hits on the top of the shroud? anyone know why this is happening? The frame was made Nov. 1929.

mrtexas · 07-09-2010, 05:58 PM

How about the radiator? Lots of after market radiators don't have the correct mounts for the shroud. Brassworks radiators do however. I have two other radiators that don't.

darcarter · 07-09-2010, 06:06 PM

Would it be possible to tighten the lower nut on the front engine mount to pull the engine down until it's centered in the shroud?

Steve Plucker · 07-09-2010, 06:38 PM

Don't know just how pickey you are but the 1929's did not have a shroud, well they did...up through February 1929 that is, plus the November 1929 frame, when concerning the front cross member had the LOWERED raidator mounting pads thus making the radiator sit lower IF you are using a 1929 radiator. This may be your problem as to why the fan is hitting the shroud.

Pluck

Bob P. · 07-09-2010, 11:53 PM

IM not sure if it's a 28 or 29, but it's an original radiator I had recored (threaded neck). IM looking for better cooling that's why I added the shroud. Also I wanted to keep period Ford parts on my pickup. It will be restored but not a points type restoration. Any Idea how much lower the cross member is? Also if I put blocks under the radiator to lift it, will the crank still work in the hole on the radiator shell? IM not aware of the 28 shell being any longer than a 29 shell. I have used the crank several times to start this truck so I don't want to loose that ability. There must be some simple way I can make this all work together. Thank you for all your replys.

Steve Plucker · 07-10-2010, 12:08 AM

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Whether or not it is a 28 or 29 radiator or shell should make no difference as they all fit the same on the frame. I have no idea how much lower the cross member is BUT if it is what you say it is, a November 1929 chassis, then more than likely it is the front cross member that the Ford Service Bulletins talk about in the October 1929 FSB, page 387.

Please review this FSB. The "shims" for which are "added" to take up this space, should be almost level with frame sidemember. By doing this, it should raise your radiator enough to not allow the fan to hit the shroud.

Is this a car "A" frame or a truck "AA" frame? OK...it is a pickup "A" frame!

Pluck

Bob P. · 07-10-2010, 12:29 AM

I would still like to know if the crank handle will be affected if I raise the radiator & shell? I seems like it would have to have a taller guide (u bolt block) for the crank handle so it wouldn't rub on the shell.

d.j. moordigian · 07-10-2010, 03:08 PM

Bob,...What Steve is saying is, it's about 1/8" ! Stick some kind of shaft in the hole
and look at it. Does the hood and shell fit OK to the body? I didn't think there was a
difference in the mounting pads on a 28-29 radiator.
Dudley

Ron in Quincy · 07-10-2010, 04:09 PM

As Steve said, a Nov. 29 did not have a schroud. Is the schroud you purchased have a tray at the bottom for headlight wires or no tray? The very early fan schroud, referred to as a "Tabby", has a smaller opening for the fan than the later schroud. If you have the later schroud, I suspect the recoring of your radiator may be the problem. A local radiator shop, when recoring a 28-29 radiator, would call me and borrow a radiator shell so he could check to see that every thing lined up properly.

Ron

Chris Haynes · 07-10-2010, 10:57 PM

If you front motor mount is on backwards your engine will sit higher in front. Is your crank nut lined up so the crank goes straight in?

07-09-2010, 05:23 PM	#1
Bob P. Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 20	28/29 Radiator shroud I bought an original radiator shroud for my 29. I have it mounted as high as I can on the radiator, but the top of the fan hits on the top of the shroud? anyone know why this is happening? The frame was made Nov. 1929.

07-09-2010, 05:58 PM	#2
mrtexas Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sugar Land, TX Posts: 4,395	Re: 28/29 Radiator shroud How about the radiator? Lots of after market radiators don't have the correct mounts for the shroud. Brassworks radiators do however. I have two other radiators that don't.

07-09-2010, 06:06 PM	#3
darcarter Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 21	Re: 28/29 Radiator shroud Would it be possible to tighten the lower nut on the front engine mount to pull the engine down until it's centered in the shroud?

07-09-2010, 06:38 PM	#4
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: 28/29 Radiator shroud Don't know just how pickey you are but the 1929's did not have a shroud, well they did...up through February 1929 that is, plus the November 1929 frame, when concerning the front cross member had the LOWERED raidator mounting pads thus making the radiator sit lower IF you are using a 1929 radiator. This may be your problem as to why the fan is hitting the shroud. Pluck Last edited by Steve Plucker; 07-09-2010 at 09:09 PM.

07-09-2010, 11:53 PM	#5
Bob P. Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 20	Re: 28/29 Radiator shroud IM not sure if it's a 28 or 29, but it's an original radiator I had recored (threaded neck). IM looking for better cooling that's why I added the shroud. Also I wanted to keep period Ford parts on my pickup. It will be restored but not a points type restoration. Any Idea how much lower the cross member is? Also if I put blocks under the radiator to lift it, will the crank still work in the hole on the radiator shell? IM not aware of the 28 shell being any longer than a 29 shell. I have used the crank several times to start this truck so I don't want to loose that ability. There must be some simple way I can make this all work together. Thank you for all your replys.

07-10-2010, 12:08 AM	#6
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: 28/29 Radiator shroud Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Whether or not it is a 28 or 29 radiator or shell should make no difference as they all fit the same on the frame. I have no idea how much lower the cross member is BUT if it is what you say it is, a November 1929 chassis, then more than likely it is the front cross member that the Ford Service Bulletins talk about in the October 1929 FSB, page 387. Please review this FSB. The "shims" for which are "added" to take up this space, should be almost level with frame sidemember. By doing this, it should raise your radiator enough to not allow the fan to hit the shroud. Is this a car "A" frame or a truck "AA" frame? OK...it is a pickup "A" frame! Pluck

07-10-2010, 12:29 AM	#7
Bob P. Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 20	Re: 28/29 Radiator shroud I would still like to know if the crank handle will be affected if I raise the radiator & shell? I seems like it would have to have a taller guide (u bolt block) for the crank handle so it wouldn't rub on the shell.

07-10-2010, 03:08 PM	#8
d.j. moordigian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fresno, Ca. Posts: 3,636	Re: 28/29 Radiator shroud Bob,...What Steve is saying is, it's about 1/8" ! Stick some kind of shaft in the hole and look at it. Does the hood and shell fit OK to the body? I didn't think there was a difference in the mounting pads on a 28-29 radiator. Dudley

07-10-2010, 04:09 PM	#9
Ron in Quincy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Quincy, CA. Posts: 1,708	Re: 28/29 Radiator shroud As Steve said, a Nov. 29 did not have a schroud. Is the schroud you purchased have a tray at the bottom for headlight wires or no tray? The very early fan schroud, referred to as a "Tabby", has a smaller opening for the fan than the later schroud. If you have the later schroud, I suspect the recoring of your radiator may be the problem. A local radiator shop, when recoring a 28-29 radiator, would call me and borrow a radiator shell so he could check to see that every thing lined up properly. Ron

07-10-2010, 10:57 PM	#10
Chris Haynes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camarillo, CA and Pine Grove, CA Posts: 2,832	Re: 28/29 Radiator shroud If you front motor mount is on backwards your engine will sit higher in front. Is your crank nut lined up so the crank goes straight in? __________________ 1921 Runabout 1930 Tudor Early 1930 AA Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?