FOUND!! V8-60 sedan

[milo]

Found this 1938 sedan back in July on Craig's list.. Had been stored in a small, dry one car garage for 53 years.. It has the V8-60 with 34,000 miles on it when found...

[milo]

As stated , had not seen the light of day for 53 years...

[milo]

Once home, a little clean up and it started to look like a Ford again...

[milo]

My plans?? Well most of you will probably be mad but I always say; The best Hot Rods are made from the nicest original cars.. It will have to wait till I finish my coupe, but it will keep it's original paint and interior and only have a motor and trans upgrade.. I'm excited to start on my lucky find...

[Teltruck]

Great find. Worked for the phone company and my name is Clark was born in 1938. When I first saw the picture I couldn't believe my eyes. Congratulation and have a Happy Thankgiving.
Bob

[Ol' Ron]

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Doz it run???

[39topless]

The V8 60 is really under-powered. They make great sprint car engines though. Maybe you can trade someone for a 221 CI V8 that wants to build a sprinter. Great find. keep us updated.

[tubman]

Originally Posted by 39topless

The V8 60 is really under-powered. They make great sprint car engines though. Maybe you can trade someone for a 221 CI V8 that wants to build a sprinter. Great find. keep us updated.

I think you mean midget. If you put one of those in a sprint car, you'd be guaranteed last place every time. They were competitive with the small Offy's in midgets, though.

That sure is a nice car though; I am constantly amazed at what is still out there. Never give up looking, I guess.

[mhsprecher]

I'll say what others are thinking: they are only original once. Maybe a hopped up flattie, but original otherwise?

[tubman]

I would think a much higher percentage of V8-60's survived like this than the bigger engined cars because people got sick and tired of the sluggish performance and stuck them away. It seems to me that the last couple of really nice "Barn Finds" on here have been '60's.

[Bored&Stroked]

Very cool find! If it was mine, I'd build a hopped up big flathead V8 for it, about 276 cubic inches, put in a 39 transmission, change the rear-end gears to 3.78, put hydraulic brakes on it and have a ball.

I believe the rears in most V8-60 cars were 4.44 . . . just WAY too low for any real highway cruising.

All this stuff could be easily done, while you preserve/keep ALL the original running gear - and have it for future generations.

[milo]

It didn't run but the motor was free after a 52 year sleep.. The 81 year old gentleman parked it when I-75 came through his area.. I probably will put an overhead valve engine with an automatic in it.. I've been fooling with model A's for a long time and at my age I'm thinking I want a nice comfortable ride with this one.. I want it low but I want it to appear stock otherwise.. I'm a hot rodder at heart but I like the way the standard looks both outside and inside so I will leave both alone...

[JSeery]

That is one nice looking 38 std!

[robert dick]

that car is just begging for a 392 chrysler and auto transmission.

[JSeery]

Originally Posted by robert dick

that car is just begging for a 392 chrysler and auto transmission.

So not true. If it was to get a non-flathead engine, needs something in the lightweight category, like a 5.0 Ford engine.

[Walt Dupont--Me.]

Originally Posted by JSeery

So not true. If it was to get a non-flathead engine, needs something in the lightweight category, like a 5.0 Ford engine.

BOY, is that a beauty, my first car that I could license and insure when I was 15 was a twin to that, it had the 21 stud 85hp engine. I wish I still had it. Walt

[deuce lover]

Originally Posted by JSeery

So not true. If it was to get a non-flathead engine, needs something in the lightweight category, like a 5.0 Ford engine.

Have to cut the firewall for a 5.0.SBC w/39 trans fits right in

[JSeery]

Originally Posted by deuce lover

Have to cut the firewall for a 5.0.SBC w/39 trans fits right in

Not a SBC fan, so that wouldn't work!!! You can put a Small Block Ford in about anything if you really want to, I have put two in a Focus, one a 5.0 and the other one a 351W.

[milo]

Probably will be SBC with a 3spd automatic(TH350).. They are just so easy to install and cheap.. I want to keep the original column and wheel but may use a 1940 column and wheel for the column shift.. I want the engine to resemble a mid-50's engine with orange paint and script valve covers.. A lot of flatheads were removed when Chevy introduced their "HOT" little V8 in 1955... Ah, the 50's....

[51 MERC-CT]

Originally Posted by milo

Probably will be SBC with a 3spd automatic(TH350).. They are just so easy to install and cheap.. I want to keep the original column and wheel but may use a 1940 column and wheel for the column shift.. I want the engine to resemble a mid-50's engine with orange paint and script valve covers.. A lot of flatheads were removed when Chevy introduced their "HOT" little V8 in 1955... Ah, the 50's....

Had a '38 standard V860 back in the 50's only a 4dr.

Hope you are planning on doing an upgrade to the brakes.

[compyello]

I like it, I just got mine a few weeks ago. Not as nice as yours, or as original, and sat for many years but not 53 years (only around 40). Mine does have a long family history.

[compyello]

Could you take a picture of the left inside door panel for me? I am wondering what it should look like

[cmbrucew]

Originally Posted by JSeery

Not a SBC fan, so that wouldn't work!!! You can put a Small Block Ford in about anything if you really want to, I have put two in a Focus, one a 5.0 and the other one a 351W.

One I saw had a mustang IFS The sbf was in, but no room for exhaust manifold. Steering gearbox in the way
Bruce

[milo]

Sure compyello.. Did yours come without the side and grille stainless???

[32 ford barn]

Great car! The stainless looks amazing. It's very hard to find 38 std. stainless. It took my friend 4 years to gather his. Great find. Jim

[40 Deluxe]

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Originally Posted by robert dick

that car is just begging for a 392 chrysler and auto transmission.

Someone needs that 392 hemi dropped on his foot!

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by milo

Ah, the 50's....

If you want an engine from the 50's how about Ford's OHV that replaced the flattie, a Y-Block, one of Ford's best looking engines (IMO) when dressed out (close second to the Flat Head itself... again IMO)

My 312" Y-Block/C-4

[milo]

I agree the Y-block is a good choice and yours^^^ is great looking but at first glance, I thought it was a SBC.. My bad....

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by milo

...I thought it was a SBC.. My bad....

HEY, HEY, HEY!!!

[scooder]

A hot rod has a flathead in front and tools out back!
A street rod has a f¥*%ing Chevy in front and a can o polish in back!
Please don't put a bloody monkey motion engine in it. You'll kill the poor thing. If you want comfy mile eating easy going torque, build a nice 276 flathead with an isky 1007 or 1007b or L100 cam pair of heads and two carbs on regular dual inlet. Include a correctly curved, key word being correctly here, that red capped aftermarket stuff ain't anywhere near correctly curved ( it has a sbc curve! ) ignition. Msd one is better. Use that bloody sbc Delco points distributor and get Charlie NY to curve it to flathead spec. Only usefull part on that engine.
You can slap a C4 Auto on the back of any year engine, and this auto is the slenderist trans, slides in with least amount of cutting. A later flathead can be fitted on the front of a later AOD trans. If you feel the need for a slush box.
You may already know this stuff I spec, but if I didn't say it here I would not be doing my duty to your car.
Martin.




PLEASE PLEASE don't kill the car. Mild hot rodding as I've described I'd be ok with. Just don't turn it into a another sbc powerd street rod. If you want to do that, do it to a shitter, your car is too good for that.
This comes from a hot rodder born an bread.

[milo]

Hey scooder, if you want to buy the car, you can do what you want with it, otherwise, STFU....

[TonyM]

Originally Posted by milo

Hey scooder, if you want to buy the car, you can do what you want with it, otherwise, STFU....

You don't have to be like that.

It would be a travesty to put a chevy engine in that car.

[milo]

You know, this thread isn't about flatheads, if you don't like what I'm doing to my car I understand.. I don't particularly like flatheads and I think most were replaced when the overheads came out.. I'm old enough to remember when flatheads were King but I also remember them being replaced because they were to slow.. If you guys want to run flatheads I respect that but in the mid 50's I also remember Chevys, Cadillacs and Olds overheads replacing a lot of the flatheads and that's the era of hot rodding I'm shooting for.. My build will not have tilt, air, a console or other street rod items but it will have an overhead and probably an automatic.. Sorry if some of you don't like it....

[39topless]

Originally Posted by milo

Hey scooder, if you want to buy the car, you can do what you want with it, otherwise, STFU....

Wow! Someone needs to take their meds.

[milo]

This is how I would like my 38 to sit...

[JSeery]

I think the issue may be that this is a flathead site. Lots of us have had experience with many type of engines in Hot Rods (including Scooder) and respect them all, but this is a flathead site so you are going to get inputs on flatheads. The HAMB is geared toward a variety of engines. I am first and for most a Hot Rodder, but my personal leanings are I will not mess with a restorable car. All of my cars (the Hot Rod ones) are ex-dirt track cars that are not candidates for restoration. I enjoy and take pride in bringing these lost causes back to life.

[milo]

JSeery, you are exactly right.. Silly me bad mouthing flatheads in the flathead section of the Ford Barn.. I didn't mean to offend anyone and I apologize.. Flatheads ARE cool and it's good that there are people who keep them running...

[41panelmark]

Originally Posted by milo

As stated , had not seen the light of day for 53 years...

Wow!!!! I like it a lot.

[scooder]

Milo,
Did you really just tell me to shut the f##k up!!??!!??
"didn't mean to offend" ??
Gota remember, you showed us Ford flathead V8 guys a really sweet car in very tidy condition, you then told us Ford flathead V8 guys your gonna hook the engine and put a brand X engine in it! I think we were very polite in our opinions. What reaction did you expect?
I certainly didn't expect your reaction to my post.
Martin.

[milo]

Scooder, please read post #37...

[TonyM]

I see you are selling off the original pieces from this survivor on the swap meet.

In response to one of your ads:
You have stated in your ad that the V-8 60hp radiator and the V-8 85hp radiator are the same.
They are not the same and they are not interchangeable.

[milo]

Thanks for the info TonyM...

[GB SISSON]

Is this what the hamb is like? I haven't gone there because I heard there was infighting and strife. I don't need that in my hobby.....

[39topless]

This is a great forum. Don't let one jerk ruin it for you.

[compyello]

Originally Posted by milo

Sure compyello.. Did yours come without the side and grille stainless???

Thanks Milo for the picture. I am new to all of this, I am not sure of the difference in the stainless trim. Also I like the pic you posted of the lowered 38. Enjoy your project

[FrankWest]

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Great find! You must be a very lucky guy... Make sure you buy a lottery ticket!

[milo]

Hey FrankWest, it was on Craig's list for a couple weeks, but it didn't show well because it was crammed into a one car garage with no electric and 52 years of junk piled around it.. I rubbed through the dirt with my finger and saw shinny paint so I decided to take a chance.. He couldn't find the keys so it made it difficult to move because of the locked steering wheel.. I had to crawl through the back seat and carefully remove the in tacked cardboard to pop open the trunk.. Took the door lock to a locksmith who made a key and it also fit the steering lock.. Drilled the trunk lock out and replaced with new lock and key... It also had the tool pouch with tools and jack with separate base.. I felt like I won the lottery with this find.. You always hope to find one like this... I'm sorry a lot of you don't like what I'm doing with it but I'm excited to start on it...

[compyello]

Milo, hope I am not a bother but could you please post a picture of the tools and jack? I just don't know where else I would find someone with an original car so similar to mine. Thanks

[FrankWest]

Hey, You did real Good!
My car is a 1933 and has all original power train so I drive pretty slow..
In fact, it feels like I am going 90mph when I go 35 mph.
If you plan to install all that power in you car, make sure the car won;t fall apart when you reach 125mph!

Funny Munsters episode

Herman buys a used car!

Worth watching when you have the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnRKs-JV2Lg

[milo]

compyello, Ill take some pics and post them.. They will probably be for sale too...

[milo]

compyello, here's the pics you requested and some you didn't.. I don't know if the tool kit is complete.. These all have the Ford stamp.. Probably will sell all reasonable including the working 6V horn.. Anyway, here's the pics...

[JSeery]

The horns are in nice shape!

[Gary in La.]

The tool kit is missing the screwdriver and pliers. Otherwise looks good.

[milo]

Thanks Gary, I figured there was more to the kit...

[Ol' Ron]

I have to agree with Martin, Before you install the SBC, re-think the suspension and brakes. Also the rear axle might pose a problem with that much power. Now you can solve all those problems with an aftermarket frame and $$$$$$$. Or a nice 258/C4. I have a nice 248 59A for sale.

[milo]

Ol'Ron, You are right, I plan on upgrading the suspension, rear end and brakes.. I want to keep the outside and inside stock appearing with it's original paint and worn interior.. I want a stock dash and keep the stock column and wheel or maybe a 40 column and wheel...