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Ol' Ron · 09-27-2022, 06:02 PM

I think it's time to build the perfect street engine! Good usable power and economy at a minimum of cost. There are enough guys here that build engines and have plenty of experience. I'm working on one now.
Gramps

19Fordy · 09-27-2022, 06:07 PM

That's great news Ron. Take plenty of photos and let us follow along on your build. Your knowledge is gold.

richard crow · 09-27-2022, 06:44 PM

there all ready is one. a stock eng. as ford made it

19Fordy · 09-27-2022, 07:00 PM

So true, but as Ford ceased making them, it would be neat to see how Ron applies his years of skill and knowledge to build an affordable and reliable flathead in 2022. Hopefully, an 8BA.

5851a · 09-27-2022, 07:53 PM

This will be interesting. A perfect engine will be different from person to person and depends on vehicle intended for. As a youth, perfect would have been wild cam tire burning coupe, as older now a high torque cross country 50's Mercury trips my trigger.

Pete · 09-27-2022, 08:59 PM

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First, you must define perfect and only one thing is perfect, so the term for this engine under discussion will be "near perfect".

It should be free.
It should have a flattop power curve.
It should make 300 hp on cheap gas.
It should have an adjustable idle. Smooth for commuting and lopey for cruise nights.
It should have exhaust cutouts. Noisy for cruising. Quiet for commuting.
It should have lots of chrome.
It should last 100K miles.

Ol' Ron · 09-29-2022, 07:27 AM

Be Nice if I could have some help here Pete, gota keep these old engines runnin. I'm not capable to build an engine and post pics and videos. All My grandchildren have moved on.Jere's my suggestions. In JWLs book he has the output of the stock 239ci engine at 150 lbs of torque @ 2,000, and 80 hP @ 3000.
Boring the block to 3 5/16 will add 19ci and aprox 10ft lbs of torque Plus one point in cR angle milling the head .07- will also increase Cr by one point. The EAB cylinder head has 74cc chamber volumn wnd will give the 258CI engine aprox 7.7 CR all this will work verywell with the stock Load a matic ignition. And the engine will look as stock as the day it came from the factory.
Gramps

lotsagas4u · 09-29-2022, 08:14 AM

Ron, what motor oil do you run in these engines? 10/30 is what you prefer? What brand?
Thanks

tubman · 09-29-2022, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete

First, you must define perfect and only one thing is perfect, so the term for this engine under discussion will be "near perfect".

It should be free.
It should have a flattop power curve.
It should make 300 hp on cheap gas.
It should have an adjustable idle. Smooth for commuting and lopey for cruise nights.
It should have exhaust cutouts. Noisy for cruising. Quiet for commuting.
It should have lots of chrome.
It should last 100K miles.

The only thing that even comes close is a 350 SBC!

Pete · 09-29-2022, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ol' Ron

Be Nice if I could have some help here Pete, gota keep these old engines runnin. I'm not capable to build an engine and post pics and videos. All My grandchildren have moved on.Jere's my suggestions. In JWLs book he has the output of the stock 239ci engine at 150 lbs of torque @ 2,000, and 80 hP @ 3000.
Boring the block to 3 5/16 will add 19ci and aprox 10ft lbs of torque Plus one point in cR angle milling the head .07- will also increase Cr by one point. The EAB cylinder head has 74cc chamber volumn wnd will give the 258CI engine aprox 7.7 CR all this will work verywell with the stock Load a matic ignition. And the engine will look as stock as the day it came from the factory.
Gramps

No sweat. I agree almost 100%. Only thing I would change if it was in the budget is, use an aftermarket all mechanical ignition.

Ol' Ron · 09-29-2022, 05:52 PM

Yes 10/30 is a fine oil from most'r brands. Pete thats true but when using the stock vam the Load a matic is almost fool prof. How many people hee have a AF meter. I even loan out the timing light KISS is my moto
Gramps

lotsagas4u · 09-29-2022, 05:55 PM

Ron, thanks for the reply, you are not much into the zinc needed crowd I gather.

Ol' Ron · 09-30-2022, 08:03 PM

Stock engines don;t have much valve spring pressure, so any lack of special addatives don't have much vale. Are they better, yes. Are they necessary, I'really not sure?????
Gramps
Why are there two perfect engine threads????????
G

V8COOPMAN · 10-01-2022, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ol' Ron

Why are there two perfect engine threads????????
G

Look at who is the FIRST POSTER in EACH one of those threads...none other than some guy named "Ol' Ron".

Click on the two links BELOW. Two different threads for sure. SAME guy started BOTH of them.

Coop

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318757

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318763

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Ol' Ron · 10-01-2022, 04:48 PM

The posts were more than an hore apart. I certenly didn't do that???

Flathead · 10-01-2022, 06:02 PM

Maybe you were hacked and the Russians want to know how to build the perfect Flathead?? Well....just a thought.

Ol' Ron · 10-02-2022, 01:20 PM

I lov it!!!

mhsprecher · 10-03-2022, 05:58 PM

So good it repeated itself.

ken-r-mer · 10-03-2022, 09:55 PM

A flatty blower like fromTom Roberts with a mild 6 lb boost(pricey but nice).

Ol' Ron · 10-05-2022, 07:11 AM

How about an old Mculla from the 50's? Blow thru 4bl, and you have a 200hp "Stocl" engine.

09-27-2022, 06:02 PM	#1
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	The perfect "street engine" I think it's time to build the perfect street engine! Good usable power and economy at a minimum of cost. There are enough guys here that build engines and have plenty of experience. I'm working on one now. Gramps

09-27-2022, 06:07 PM	#2
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,950	Re: The perfect "street engine" That's great news Ron. Take plenty of photos and let us follow along on your build. Your knowledge is gold.

09-27-2022, 06:44 PM	#3
richard crow Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,770	Re: The perfect "street engine" there all ready is one. a stock eng. as ford made it

09-27-2022, 07:00 PM	#4
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,950	Re: The perfect "street engine" So true, but as Ford ceased making them, it would be neat to see how Ron applies his years of skill and knowledge to build an affordable and reliable flathead in 2022. Hopefully, an 8BA.

09-27-2022, 07:53 PM	#5
5851a Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: NE Iowa Posts: 1,665	Re: The perfect "street engine" This will be interesting. A perfect engine will be different from person to person and depends on vehicle intended for. As a youth, perfect would have been wild cam tire burning coupe, as older now a high torque cross country 50's Mercury trips my trigger.

09-27-2022, 08:59 PM	#6
Pete Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wa. Posts: 5,409	Re: The perfect "street engine" Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) First, you must define perfect and only one thing is perfect, so the term for this engine under discussion will be "near perfect". It should be free. It should have a flattop power curve. It should make 300 hp on cheap gas. It should have an adjustable idle. Smooth for commuting and lopey for cruise nights. It should have exhaust cutouts. Noisy for cruising. Quiet for commuting. It should have lots of chrome. It should last 100K miles.

09-29-2022, 07:27 AM	#7
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: The perfect "street engine" Be Nice if I could have some help here Pete, gota keep these old engines runnin. I'm not capable to build an engine and post pics and videos. All My grandchildren have moved on.Jere's my suggestions. In JWLs book he has the output of the stock 239ci engine at 150 lbs of torque @ 2,000, and 80 hP @ 3000. Boring the block to 3 5/16 will add 19ci and aprox 10ft lbs of torque Plus one point in cR angle milling the head .07- will also increase Cr by one point. The EAB cylinder head has 74cc chamber volumn wnd will give the 258CI engine aprox 7.7 CR all this will work verywell with the stock Load a matic ignition. And the engine will look as stock as the day it came from the factory. Gramps

09-29-2022, 08:14 AM	#8
lotsagas4u Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Plainview, Texas Posts: 757	Re: The perfect "street engine" Ron, what motor oil do you run in these engines? 10/30 is what you prefer? What brand? Thanks

09-29-2022, 05:52 PM	#11
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: The perfect "street engine" Yes 10/30 is a fine oil from most'r brands. Pete thats true but when using the stock vam the Load a matic is almost fool prof. How many people hee have a AF meter. I even loan out the timing light KISS is my moto Gramps

09-29-2022, 05:55 PM	#12
lotsagas4u Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Plainview, Texas Posts: 757	Re: The perfect "street engine" Ron, thanks for the reply, you are not much into the zinc needed crowd I gather.

09-30-2022, 08:03 PM	#13
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: The perfect "street engine" Stock engines don;t have much valve spring pressure, so any lack of special addatives don't have much vale. Are they better, yes. Are they necessary, I'really not sure????? Gramps Why are there two perfect engine threads???????? G

10-01-2022, 04:48 PM	#15
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: The perfect "street engine" The posts were more than an hore apart. I certenly didn't do that???

10-01-2022, 06:02 PM	#16
Flathead Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 1,499	Re: The perfect "street engine" Maybe you were hacked and the Russians want to know how to build the perfect Flathead?? Well....just a thought.

10-02-2022, 01:20 PM	#17
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: The perfect "street engine" I lov it!!!

10-03-2022, 05:58 PM	#18
mhsprecher Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Takoma Park, MD Posts: 2,817	Re: The perfect "street engine" So good it repeated itself. __________________ 1924 Model T Coupe 1928 Model A Roadster 1930 Model A Town Sedan 1939 Deluxe Fordor 1945 pickup 1951 Custom convertible

10-03-2022, 09:55 PM	#19
ken-r-mer Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 101	Re: The perfect "street engine" A flatty blower like fromTom Roberts with a mild 6 lb boost(pricey but nice).

10-05-2022, 07:11 AM	#20
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: The perfect "street engine" How about an old Mculla from the 50's? Blow thru 4bl, and you have a 200hp "Stocl" engine.