The Ford Barn

rogersschupp · 01-12-2014, 03:22 PM

Hello all,

I may have been to vague in my initial posting so I retitled it and copied original below. Thanks for any help.

I am in the process of selling my 1928 Ford Model A Phaeton and am looking for some help on pricing. My father and I bought it back in the mid seventies and performed a partial restoration. It was running up until around the mid 80's and was properly mothballed at that time and has been in storage since.

It would likely require a full restoration. The engine had been rebuilt at that time. A partial description: very little body rust, missing the front door sills but all other body parts complete, upholstery torn in places and in need of redo, all body parts complete including top mechanism (no canvass), all bright parts re-chromed at one time but in need of re-chroming, exterior paint in fair condition in original dark blue with black fenders. Overall mechanically sound, fairly rust free, but in need of full cosmetic restoration.

Any advice or interest would be greatly appreciated. The car is presently garaged in New Orleans and I have photos I could post or send to interested individuals. Thanks very much for any help,

Rogers Schupp

ronn · 01-12-2014, 05:13 PM

Without photos or a bit more detail, this is real tough.
A low of 6000 to a high of 10000.
not a good answer, but difficult to access what one can't really see....

Bob-A · 01-12-2014, 08:13 PM

Check out comparable one's on eBay and research what they actually sold for.

This might give you an idea.

Bob-A

lajones · 01-12-2014, 08:14 PM

I put this on you other post, but I'll put it here too. Check you private messages and give me a call. And yes, pictures would be a great help. My email is [email protected]
Thanks

Mike V. Florida · 01-12-2014, 11:13 PM

PICTURES, PICTURES, PICTURES and more PICTURES are needed.

DougVieyra · 01-13-2014, 03:12 AM

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If the car is not running, so that that none of the running gear can be assessed, you will most likely lose about $5 - 7,000 off the selling price. If the buyer can drive the car to make said assessments, then the $6,000 - $10,000 'guess-t-mate' might be a fair guess for an unseen car.

If you think it 'just needs a little tinkering' to get it running - then YOU do the tinkering. Anything that is not running has to be assumed to be non-functioning and in need of a major rebuild, by any prudent buyer.

It is really not a good idea to hope for any kind of accurate 'price guessing' by anyone who has not even seen the car.

pooch · 01-13-2014, 05:30 AM

$2000 if it can be rolled onto a trailer and the buyer is local to you.

ronn · 01-13-2014, 07:10 AM

pooch, I'll take a shipload at those prices....

when are you coming up???

rogersschupp · 01-13-2014, 03:03 PM

Here are a series of photos. Please ignore the paint chips, I did not have time to clean up prior to the photos. The car has been garaged since I have owned it. Thanks for all comments so far,

Rogers

msmaron · 01-13-2014, 03:24 PM

4000.00 to 4500.00 and i have not seen pics of the undercarriage or the engine

Franchise_24 · 01-13-2014, 03:32 PM

Does the car run? In the condition it is in if it runs I would say $5k-$6k. I've seen worse go for more believe it or not..

kelley's restoration · 01-13-2014, 04:04 PM

i had a completely restored chassis with a b engine and all the goodies
running driving all body work complete scuff and shoot car that i had a real hard time getting $10,000 for
so i am in the 4000-4500 range too
tk

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 01-13-2014, 04:12 PM

Holy cow, how early is that car? Notice the radiator shell.

I see it has a front-mounted emergency brake but I sure would like to see the braking system and a few other things that appear to be later.

Tom Wesenberg · 01-13-2014, 04:29 PM

That radiator shell threw me also.
The choke rod looks longer than the one on my 9-27-28 Phaeton.

I would have to check it for bondo, rust on the frame, and incorrect parts, but so far it seems the prices given are low. I paid $5,700 for mine back in 1999 and it had a cracked head, worn steering balls, poor brakes, amature paint and upholstery and a bad bearing in the tranny, and I figure I was lucky to buy it for what I concidered about half price.

Ross/Kzoo · 01-13-2014, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franchise_24

Does the car run? In the condition it is in if it runs I would say $5k-$6k. I've seen worse go for more believe it or not..

I'm with this one, $5-6K or maybe a little more. It needs a restoration but I think you could drive it while you're doing some of the upgrades.

Jim/GA · 01-13-2014, 04:36 PM

Do you have a clear title that matches the number on the engine?

What is the number on the engine?

Does it have a date stamped into the firewall/gas tank?

dean from bozeman · 01-13-2014, 07:02 PM

Howdy Roger,

First, that is a real nice looking "A".

Second, in real estate they say 'Location, location, location!'. With Model A's I believe that much of the price is determined by the condition of the sheet metal, body style and completeness.

The body looks to be pretty solid and straight. I would rather buy a car with good sheet metal and a bad engine than one with a bad body and a good engine. Anything in regards to the chassis, axles and engine can be replaced a lot cheaper than paying a body man full price.

Frame/engine numbers, history, previous work done, etc. are nice but a complete, solid car and one that runs is particularly nice.

Without a hundred pictures or a half hour with the car it is hard to put a price on but Phaetons can be rather desirable so I would put a price of $6,500 plus/minus $1,000 on it. From where I sit the body looks that good.

Dean

pooch · 01-13-2014, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooch

$2000 if it can be rolled onto a trailer and the buyer is local to you.

Yeh I was only joking about with being a price called on a description only.

Get this going and put a top on it and sell it the the guy from Denmark who wants to bash across USA in an original car.

He seems to be looking at that price range of 5 to 6 K.

Phil · 01-13-2014, 09:16 PM

My '28 Pheaton wasn't 1/2 that good to start with and I paid $4500 several years ago. I was happy to get it at that price. There are not all that many pheatons around and that one looks pretty solid and complete I think the prices mentioned here are low. You got to find the right buyer, but he will be willing to pay for it. If you want to sell it I would clean it, maybe get running and post on eBay and see where it goes.

Mitch//pa · 01-13-2014, 09:24 PM

ill go 7500 with the paint chips no problem you guys are to low

01-12-2014, 03:22 PM	#1
rogersschupp Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 4	Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale Hello all, I may have been to vague in my initial posting so I retitled it and copied original below. Thanks for any help. I am in the process of selling my 1928 Ford Model A Phaeton and am looking for some help on pricing. My father and I bought it back in the mid seventies and performed a partial restoration. It was running up until around the mid 80's and was properly mothballed at that time and has been in storage since. It would likely require a full restoration. The engine had been rebuilt at that time. A partial description: very little body rust, missing the front door sills but all other body parts complete, upholstery torn in places and in need of redo, all body parts complete including top mechanism (no canvass), all bright parts re-chromed at one time but in need of re-chroming, exterior paint in fair condition in original dark blue with black fenders. Overall mechanically sound, fairly rust free, but in need of full cosmetic restoration. Any advice or interest would be greatly appreciated. The car is presently garaged in New Orleans and I have photos I could post or send to interested individuals. Thanks very much for any help, Rogers Schupp

01-12-2014, 05:13 PM	#2
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,796	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale Without photos or a bit more detail, this is real tough. A low of 6000 to a high of 10000. not a good answer, but difficult to access what one can't really see....

01-12-2014, 08:13 PM	#3
Bob-A Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central FL, USA Posts: 1,140	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale Check out comparable one's on eBay and research what they actually sold for. This might give you an idea. Bob-A

01-12-2014, 08:14 PM	#4
lajones Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Zachary, LA Posts: 112	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale I put this on you other post, but I'll put it here too. Check you private messages and give me a call. And yes, pictures would be a great help. My email is [email protected] Thanks Last edited by lajones; 01-12-2014 at 08:24 PM.

01-12-2014, 11:13 PM	#5
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale PICTURES, PICTURES, PICTURES and more PICTURES are needed. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

01-13-2014, 03:12 AM	#6
DougVieyra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 1,716	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) If the car is not running, so that that none of the running gear can be assessed, you will most likely lose about $5 - 7,000 off the selling price. If the buyer can drive the car to make said assessments, then the $6,000 - $10,000 'guess-t-mate' might be a fair guess for an unseen car. If you think it 'just needs a little tinkering' to get it running - then YOU do the tinkering. Anything that is not running has to be assumed to be non-functioning and in need of a major rebuild, by any prudent buyer. It is really not a good idea to hope for any kind of accurate 'price guessing' by anyone who has not even seen the car.

01-13-2014, 05:30 AM	#7
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Coast NSW Australia Posts: 2,596	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale $2000 if it can be rolled onto a trailer and the buyer is local to you.

01-13-2014, 07:10 AM	#8
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,796	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale pooch, I'll take a shipload at those prices.... when are you coming up???

01-13-2014, 03:24 PM	#10
msmaron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wauconda, IL Posts: 3,600	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale 4000.00 to 4500.00 and i have not seen pics of the undercarriage or the engine __________________ Mark Maron Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA MARC JSC Member MAFFI Trustee National Facebook Admin. https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/ A7191-Sport Coupe 29 Roadster 29-Town Sedan 29-Original Special Coupe

01-13-2014, 03:32 PM	#11
Franchise_24 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lexington, Ohio Posts: 782	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale Does the car run? In the condition it is in if it runs I would say $5k-$6k. I've seen worse go for more believe it or not.. __________________ 1929 Model A Ford Coupe

01-13-2014, 04:04 PM	#12
kelley's restoration Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: 60046 Posts: 888	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale i had a completely restored chassis with a b engine and all the goodies running driving all body work complete scuff and shoot car that i had a real hard time getting $10,000 for so i am in the 4000-4500 range too tk __________________ anyone need some Model A restoration work done in Illinois? shoot me an email for pics and information [email protected]

01-13-2014, 04:12 PM	#13
BRENT in 10-uh-C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Eastern Tennessee Posts: 11,521	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale Holy cow, how early is that car? Notice the radiator shell. I see it has a front-mounted emergency brake but I sure would like to see the braking system and a few other things that appear to be later. __________________ . BRENT in 10-uh-C . www.model-a-ford.com ...(...Finally Updated!! ) .

01-13-2014, 04:29 PM	#14
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale That radiator shell threw me also. The choke rod looks longer than the one on my 9-27-28 Phaeton. I would have to check it for bondo, rust on the frame, and incorrect parts, but so far it seems the prices given are low. I paid $5,700 for mine back in 1999 and it had a cracked head, worn steering balls, poor brakes, amature paint and upholstery and a bad bearing in the tranny, and I figure I was lucky to buy it for what I concidered about half price.

01-13-2014, 04:36 PM	#16
Jim/GA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Young Harris, GA Posts: 1,821	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale Do you have a clear title that matches the number on the engine? What is the number on the engine? Does it have a date stamped into the firewall/gas tank? __________________ Jim Cannon Former MAFCA Technical Director "Have a Model A day!"

01-13-2014, 07:02 PM	#17
dean from bozeman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bozeman, Montana Posts: 997	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale Howdy Roger, First, that is a real nice looking "A". Second, in real estate they say 'Location, location, location!'. With Model A's I believe that much of the price is determined by the condition of the sheet metal, body style and completeness. The body looks to be pretty solid and straight. I would rather buy a car with good sheet metal and a bad engine than one with a bad body and a good engine. Anything in regards to the chassis, axles and engine can be replaced a lot cheaper than paying a body man full price. Frame/engine numbers, history, previous work done, etc. are nice but a complete, solid car and one that runs is particularly nice. Without a hundred pictures or a half hour with the car it is hard to put a price on but Phaetons can be rather desirable so I would put a price of $6,500 plus/minus $1,000 on it. From where I sit the body looks that good. Dean

01-13-2014, 09:16 PM	#19
Phil Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bethany, Ok Posts: 382	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale My '28 Pheaton wasn't 1/2 that good to start with and I paid $4500 several years ago. I was happy to get it at that price. There are not all that many pheatons around and that one looks pretty solid and complete I think the prices mentioned here are low. You got to find the right buyer, but he will be willing to pay for it. If you want to sell it I would clean it, maybe get running and post on eBay and see where it goes.

01-13-2014, 09:24 PM	#20
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Help with pricing a 1928 Phaeton for sale ill go 7500 with the paint chips no problem you guys are to low Last edited by Mitch//pa; 01-13-2014 at 09:32 PM.