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Classiccanuck · 12-20-2013, 03:24 PM

anyone have any under carriage pics of their car? I'm looking for some shots of how/where the curtain pan rivets/bolts to. I think at the back it goes under at the cross member in front of the rear seat not sure....Thanks!

wrndln · 12-20-2013, 05:05 PM

I have an early 29 phaeton that original had a curtain tray on it under the rear floorboard, but everything was missing except the hinge mounting holes and rear tray mounting holes when I bought the car. I pretty much have everything figured out after a lot of research on curtain trays in 28/early29 phaetons. If you want information on them and some pictures, PM me with your email and what you are looking for.
Rusty Nelson

Classiccanuck · 12-20-2013, 06:08 PM

sent u a pm, thanks!

pooch · 12-20-2013, 08:07 PM

I am about to pull the body off chassis of my 28 original phaeton.

It does have timber stringers and timber floor maybe not the same as US ones?

But if anyone needs pics, I will get some underneath.

Classiccanuck · 12-20-2013, 08:40 PM

Should have a wooden trap door where you would rest your feet if you were sitting in the back seat

dave in australia · 12-20-2013, 09:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pooch

I am about to pull the body off chassis of my 28 original phaeton.

It does have timber stringers and timber floor maybe not the same as US ones?

But if anyone needs pics, I will get some underneath.

Sort of depends Pooch. Some Oz bodies had the curtain tray under the rear floor, and some were under the front seat. They most likely won't be the same as the US bodies because ours were timber framed.

pooch · 12-21-2013, 01:37 AM

Yup, it has the wooden door set into rear wooden floor under mat with a brass ring pull.

The tray itself is steel.

I hoofed into it today, it is almost ready to lift.

Trying to save the 3/8th head bolts with thin nuts that hold the apron to rear guard.

The bolts look the same that clamps the tank to cowl sides.

Don't think I can get the coach bolts out the join between rear guard and running board , they are turning even with a bit of heat and I don't want to burn paint, so may have to cut them off.

DougVieyra · 12-21-2013, 02:55 AM

Can anyone help me understand the side-curtain storage situation on the 1928 / '29 Phaetons ? I understood that the early '28's had the curtain storage in a compartment under the rear floor boards, but that the later '29 Phaeton's did not have this under-the-floor-board storage area. The side-curtains were stored under the seat cusion.

I am hoping somewone will educate me to the situation. I am talking about U.S. made and sold cars only.

wrndln · 12-21-2013, 09:15 AM

Doug,
I believe all 28 and early 29 phaetons had curtain trays mounted under the rear floorboard and part of the tray under the front seat pan. There were two alignments for the under the rear floorboard trays I stumbled onto when I was trying to install my early 29 tray. I had nothing left of the tray except the hinge holes and the mounting holes in the rear side of the body crossmember. Early 28's have the rear end of the curtain tray mounted to the front of the body crossmember located under the front of the back seat. Sometime in mid 28, I believe, Ford, for some reason, shifted the rear end of the tray to mount on the rear flange of the same body crossmember. I am not really sure when Ford switched from under the car tray to under the front seat, but an educated guess would be sometime in March or April of 1929. Of course, by that time there were lots of plants making model A's so there must have be a pretty wide range of dates for the switch over. I suspect the Detroit plant probably switched over sometime in February or early March with other more remote plants not switching until late April and maybe even in May sometime. Again these are my thoughts after investigating the curtain tray subject when installing the tray in my car.
Rusty Nelson

John LaVoy · 12-21-2013, 04:32 PM

My May 28 phaeton has the pan under the rear floor, not sure the exact change over to the one under the seat.

DougVieyra · 12-21-2013, 05:54 PM

Thank you Rusty, for your input. Apparently I have not dug deep enough to have discovered anything in print (or J.S.) to help me get a more definitive handle on this question. Your response is the first step in that process.

My Dec. '28 Phaeton does not have a curtain pan under the floorboard, and a Feb.'29 Phaeton of a friend also is sans a floor-board curtain pan. However, like yours, they may have both had them when they left the factory, but (like yours) became missing somewhere in the thirty-five years between when it left the factory and when it entered my garage.

Thanks again. - Doug Vieyra

Roadster62 · 12-19-2014, 02:52 AM

Finally after 53 years of ownership this AR Phaeton is getting a restoration. Bob

Tom Wesenberg · 12-19-2014, 06:07 AM

Roadster62, what is the month of your Phaeton?

My pan has a large rust hole, but I don't know of anyone making a repro with the 3 correct ribs facing up and the correct length. It should be a simple part to make.

Bader · 12-19-2014, 09:50 PM

I have the rear seat compartment from one,it was torched off about 3 " from the crossmember,till now I thought they were under the front seat,like a roadster.

jcfimpala59 · 05-04-2020, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

Roadster62, what is the month of your Phaeton?

My pan has a large rust hole, but I don't know of anyone making a repro with the 3 correct ribs facing up and the correct length. It should be a simple part to make.

Tom,

I am restoring a 1930 standard phaeton and was looking for information on the 'curtain pan'. I saw your post from 2010 in which you mentioned "3 correct ribs facing up". Can you explain what you meant by that since it appears I will have to make my own.

Jim/GA · 05-04-2020, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcfimpala59

Tom,

I am restoring a 1930 standard phaeton and was looking for information on the 'curtain pan'. I saw your post from 2010 in which you mentioned "3 correct ribs facing up". Can you explain what you meant by that since it appears I will have to make my own.

Like this?

https://www.brattons.com/30-31-curtain-pan.html

Jeff/Illinois · 05-04-2020, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim/GA

Like this?

https://www.brattons.com/30-31-curtain-pan.html

Jim I hope when they drop that thing by a 'parachute' like in the shipping directions it isn't a regulation US Army military chute that will drop it real fast like

12-20-2013, 03:24 PM	#1
Classiccanuck Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario Canada Posts: 221	1928 Phaeton curtain pan anyone have any under carriage pics of their car? I'm looking for some shots of how/where the curtain pan rivets/bolts to. I think at the back it goes under at the cross member in front of the rear seat not sure....Thanks!

12-20-2013, 05:05 PM	#2
wrndln Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeville, MN Posts: 5,164	Re: 1928 Phaeton curtain pan I have an early 29 phaeton that original had a curtain tray on it under the rear floorboard, but everything was missing except the hinge mounting holes and rear tray mounting holes when I bought the car. I pretty much have everything figured out after a lot of research on curtain trays in 28/early29 phaetons. If you want information on them and some pictures, PM me with your email and what you are looking for. Rusty Nelson Last edited by wrndln; 12-20-2013 at 09:23 PM.

12-20-2013, 06:08 PM	#3
Classiccanuck Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario Canada Posts: 221	Re: 1928 Phaeton curtain pan sent u a pm, thanks!

12-20-2013, 08:07 PM	#4
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Coast NSW Australia Posts: 2,596	Re: 1928 Phaeton curtain pan I am about to pull the body off chassis of my 28 original phaeton. It does have timber stringers and timber floor maybe not the same as US ones? But if anyone needs pics, I will get some underneath.

12-20-2013, 08:40 PM	#5
Classiccanuck Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario Canada Posts: 221	Re: 1928 Phaeton curtain pan Should have a wooden trap door where you would rest your feet if you were sitting in the back seat

12-21-2013, 01:37 AM	#7
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Coast NSW Australia Posts: 2,596	Re: 1928 Phaeton curtain pan Yup, it has the wooden door set into rear wooden floor under mat with a brass ring pull. The tray itself is steel. I hoofed into it today, it is almost ready to lift. Trying to save the 3/8th head bolts with thin nuts that hold the apron to rear guard. The bolts look the same that clamps the tank to cowl sides. Don't think I can get the coach bolts out the join between rear guard and running board , they are turning even with a bit of heat and I don't want to burn paint, so may have to cut them off. Last edited by pooch; 12-21-2013 at 01:42 AM.

12-21-2013, 02:55 AM	#8
DougVieyra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 1,716	Re: 1928 Phaeton curtain pan Can anyone help me understand the side-curtain storage situation on the 1928 / '29 Phaetons ? I understood that the early '28's had the curtain storage in a compartment under the rear floor boards, but that the later '29 Phaeton's did not have this under-the-floor-board storage area. The side-curtains were stored under the seat cusion. I am hoping somewone will educate me to the situation. I am talking about U.S. made and sold cars only.

12-21-2013, 09:15 AM	#9
wrndln Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeville, MN Posts: 5,164	Re: 1928 Phaeton curtain pan Doug, I believe all 28 and early 29 phaetons had curtain trays mounted under the rear floorboard and part of the tray under the front seat pan. There were two alignments for the under the rear floorboard trays I stumbled onto when I was trying to install my early 29 tray. I had nothing left of the tray except the hinge holes and the mounting holes in the rear side of the body crossmember. Early 28's have the rear end of the curtain tray mounted to the front of the body crossmember located under the front of the back seat. Sometime in mid 28, I believe, Ford, for some reason, shifted the rear end of the tray to mount on the rear flange of the same body crossmember. I am not really sure when Ford switched from under the car tray to under the front seat, but an educated guess would be sometime in March or April of 1929. Of course, by that time there were lots of plants making model A's so there must have be a pretty wide range of dates for the switch over. I suspect the Detroit plant probably switched over sometime in February or early March with other more remote plants not switching until late April and maybe even in May sometime. Again these are my thoughts after investigating the curtain tray subject when installing the tray in my car. Rusty Nelson

12-21-2013, 04:32 PM	#10
John LaVoy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rocklin, CA Posts: 1,219	Re: 1928 Phaeton curtain pan My May 28 phaeton has the pan under the rear floor, not sure the exact change over to the one under the seat.

12-21-2013, 05:54 PM	#11
DougVieyra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 1,716	Re: 1928 Phaeton curtain pan Thank you Rusty, for your input. Apparently I have not dug deep enough to have discovered anything in print (or J.S.) to help me get a more definitive handle on this question. Your response is the first step in that process. My Dec. '28 Phaeton does not have a curtain pan under the floorboard, and a Feb.'29 Phaeton of a friend also is sans a floor-board curtain pan. However, like yours, they may have both had them when they left the factory, but (like yours) became missing somewhere in the thirty-five years between when it left the factory and when it entered my garage. Thanks again. - Doug Vieyra Last edited by DougVieyra; 12-21-2013 at 06:00 PM.

12-19-2014, 06:07 AM	#13
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: 1928 Phaeton curtain pan Roadster62, what is the month of your Phaeton? My pan has a large rust hole, but I don't know of anyone making a repro with the 3 correct ribs facing up and the correct length. It should be a simple part to make.

12-19-2014, 09:50 PM	#14
Bader Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Deer ridge Sask. can Posts: 181	Re: 1928 Phaeton curtain pan I have the rear seat compartment from one,it was torched off about 3 " from the crossmember,till now I thought they were under the front seat,like a roadster.