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Ethan52 · 03-09-2015, 10:24 AM

Hey guys I was wondering is there is a modern style 12v starter that I could buy from the parts store that would fit my 239 flatty instead of the 200 dollar speedway mini stump puller one? I work at O'reillys so the cheaper i can get the parts the sooner I can enjoy my new flatty in my IH

Thanks in advance!

51 MERC-CT · 03-09-2015, 10:51 AM

Have been running my original 6 volt starter on 12 volts for the past 20 years with no problems.

corvette8n · 03-09-2015, 10:54 AM

Macs auto has them listed for $169 maybe you can cross the part#'s

Ethan52 · 03-09-2015, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 51 MERC-CT

Have been running my original 6 volt starter on 12 volts for the past 20 years with no problems.

I can't use mine I messed up the gear housing on the bell housing and had to make a makeshift one so now the starter grinds the flywheel really badly

GreenMonster48 · 03-09-2015, 12:10 PM

I had my original starter converted to 12V for about $100 at a local shop. If yours is broken I'm SURE you could find another one on craigslist or something for cheap.

My friend has one of those speedway starters and he's gone through 2 or 3 of them. Various parts breaking.

Ed Pitts · 03-09-2015, 12:33 PM

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Here is a post from Ronnie with a comment from me. This works and is a lot cheaper than 200 bucks. Even cheaper since you work at O'Rileys. Ed

"Take your flathead starter apart. Keep the long through-bolts and end plate with the armature and bendix. Turn the armature if required. Don't under-cut the copper bars on armature. Use the starter from 332, 352, 360, 390 or 406 c.i. Ford FE engines as the conversion starter. Disassemble the FE starter. Keep the end plate with brushes and case with field coils. Check the bushing in the end plate and replace if necessary. The wire size and number of windings on the FE and flathead armatures and they are the same.

Now is also a good time to install new brushes. Install the flathead armature into the FE case. Install the FE end plate with brushes. Put long through-bolts in starter.

You now have a flathead starter capable of cranking an engine of 300 to 400 c.i. ,up to11 to 1 compression ratio. The finished starter looks like the flathead starter and you did it yourself."

This works. I have done this for two 12 volt starter conversions. On the last one I got a rebuilt starter from O'Rileys to use the case. It was for a 1964 Ford Galaxie; 390 cu in. engine. The part # is 03-0214 and the line is ULT. Cost was $39.99 plus 20 bucks for the core. So, for 60 bucks, you can have a 12 volt starter that works great.
Ed

BUBBAS IGNITION · 03-09-2015, 12:42 PM

Great tip Ed.............

Ethan52 · 03-09-2015, 12:45 PM

That is awesome!!!!! I just hope I don't mess it up..

Ed Pitts · 03-09-2015, 12:47 PM

Here is the thread that has all of the questions and information and pics. Ed

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...2+volt+starter

JSeery · 03-09-2015, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethan52

I can't use mine I messed up the gear housing on the bell housing and had to make a makeshift one so now the starter grinds the flywheel really badly

If the bell housing is messed up, a new start is not going to help until it is repaired. The bendix can be replaced on you existing starter if that is the part that is damaged. Might post some photos.

Ethan52 · 03-09-2015, 04:04 PM

I don't know why the starter is grinding it never use to when I pulled it and looked the starter looked fine

alchemy · 03-09-2015, 04:22 PM

If all you did was pull the starter to look at something, and then it started grinding after reassembly, it's obvious you reassembled it wrong. Take it apart again and see if you can tell where it is grinding. Or maybe you didn't get it seated correctly before you tightened those bolts.

bobH · 03-09-2015, 04:55 PM

If this is recently put together, I'd be wondering if someone has mixed pre 48, with 8BA flywheel?

tubman · 03-09-2015, 05:04 PM

I agree; find out what the real problem is and fix it. Band-aids seldom work, and even if they do, the don't last long.

JSeery · 03-09-2015, 05:38 PM

"I messed up the gear housing on the bell housing and had to make a makeshift one" (from #4).

What does this comment refer to?

Ethan52 · 03-09-2015, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSeery

"I messed up the gear housing on the bell housing and had to make a makeshift one" (from #4).

What does this comment refer to?

I dropped the bell housing and that little cup like some the starter slides into popped out and dented and I couldn't make it go back in so I made a new one out of a dash clock

JSeery · 03-09-2015, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethan52

I dropped the bell housing and that little cup like some the starter slides into popped out and dented and I couldn't make it go back in so I made a new one out of a dash clock

Is it possible that anything else on the bellhousing was damaged? Strange that the problem started after the drop. What year engine are we talking about? What was the bellhousing style?

Rowdy · 03-09-2015, 09:53 PM

And here we just modified a flathead starter to fit a Model T. Guesse I am behind times. Rod

51 MERC-CT · 03-10-2015, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ethan52

I dropped the bell housing and that little cup like some the starter slides into popped out and dented and I couldn't make it go back in so I made a new one out of a dash clock

Sounds like you have a cast bell housing and the cup you are referring to is nothing more than a sheet metal dust cover and is not really needed. I have seen several that don't have the cover. The starter plate that bolts to the bell housing determines the location of the starter. There would have to be significant damage to the bell housing to change the location of the starter plate. Remove your makeshift dust cover to see if that ends any possible interference with the Bendix.

scooder · 03-10-2015, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rowdy

And here we just modified a flathead starter to fit a Model T. Guesse I am behind times. Rod

What's this refer to please?
Guess I'm missing something.
Martin.

03-09-2015, 10:24 AM	#1
Ethan52 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 23	Modern starter Hey guys I was wondering is there is a modern style 12v starter that I could buy from the parts store that would fit my 239 flatty instead of the 200 dollar speedway mini stump puller one? I work at O'reillys so the cheaper i can get the parts the sooner I can enjoy my new flatty in my IH Thanks in advance! __________________ When someone tells me something is impossible to accomplish, I go out and do it

03-09-2015, 10:51 AM	#2
51 MERC-CT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Hartford, Ct Posts: 5,898	Re: Modern starter Have been running my original 6 volt starter on 12 volts for the past 20 years with no problems. __________________ DON'T RECALL DOING SOMETHING FOR MYSELF BASED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LIKES OR DISLIKES

03-09-2015, 10:54 AM	#3
corvette8n Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: 36 miles north of Albany NY Posts: 2,946	Re: Modern starter Macs auto has them listed for $169 maybe you can cross the part#'s

03-09-2015, 12:10 PM	#5
GreenMonster48 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Enfield Connecticut Posts: 559	Re: Modern starter I had my original starter converted to 12V for about $100 at a local shop. If yours is broken I'm SURE you could find another one on craigslist or something for cheap. My friend has one of those speedway starters and he's gone through 2 or 3 of them. Various parts breaking.

03-09-2015, 12:33 PM	#6
Ed Pitts Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Irving, Texas Posts: 598	Re: Modern starter Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Here is a post from Ronnie with a comment from me. This works and is a lot cheaper than 200 bucks. Even cheaper since you work at O'Rileys. Ed "Take your flathead starter apart. Keep the long through-bolts and end plate with the armature and bendix. Turn the armature if required. Don't under-cut the copper bars on armature. Use the starter from 332, 352, 360, 390 or 406 c.i. Ford FE engines as the conversion starter. Disassemble the FE starter. Keep the end plate with brushes and case with field coils. Check the bushing in the end plate and replace if necessary. The wire size and number of windings on the FE and flathead armatures and they are the same. Now is also a good time to install new brushes. Install the flathead armature into the FE case. Install the FE end plate with brushes. Put long through-bolts in starter. You now have a flathead starter capable of cranking an engine of 300 to 400 c.i. ,up to11 to 1 compression ratio. The finished starter looks like the flathead starter and you did it yourself." This works. I have done this for two 12 volt starter conversions. On the last one I got a rebuilt starter from O'Rileys to use the case. It was for a 1964 Ford Galaxie; 390 cu in. engine. The part # is 03-0214 and the line is ULT. Cost was $39.99 plus 20 bucks for the core. So, for 60 bucks, you can have a 12 volt starter that works great. Ed

03-09-2015, 12:42 PM	#7
BUBBAS IGNITION Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: SPEEDWAY INDIANA Posts: 4,148	Re: Modern starter Great tip Ed............. __________________ If it Makes Spark, we do it !!!! www.bubbasignition.com [email protected]

03-09-2015, 12:45 PM	#8
Ethan52 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 23	Re: Modern starter That is awesome!!!!! I just hope I don't mess it up.. __________________ When someone tells me something is impossible to accomplish, I go out and do it

03-09-2015, 12:47 PM	#9
Ed Pitts Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Irving, Texas Posts: 598	Re: Modern starter Here is the thread that has all of the questions and information and pics. Ed https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...2+volt+starter

03-09-2015, 04:04 PM	#11
Ethan52 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 23	Re: Modern starter I don't know why the starter is grinding it never use to when I pulled it and looked the starter looked fine __________________ When someone tells me something is impossible to accomplish, I go out and do it

03-09-2015, 04:22 PM	#12
alchemy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: middle of Iowa Posts: 646	Re: Modern starter If all you did was pull the starter to look at something, and then it started grinding after reassembly, it's obvious you reassembled it wrong. Take it apart again and see if you can tell where it is grinding. Or maybe you didn't get it seated correctly before you tightened those bolts.

03-09-2015, 04:55 PM	#13
bobH Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: so cal, placerville, vegas Posts: 1,394	Re: Modern starter If this is recently put together, I'd be wondering if someone has mixed pre 48, with 8BA flywheel?

03-09-2015, 05:04 PM	#14
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,304	Re: Modern starter I agree; find out what the real problem is and fix it. Band-aids seldom work, and even if they do, the don't last long.

03-09-2015, 05:38 PM	#15
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Modern starter "I messed up the gear housing on the bell housing and had to make a makeshift one" (from #4). What does this comment refer to?

03-09-2015, 09:53 PM	#18
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Modern starter And here we just modified a flathead starter to fit a Model T. Guesse I am behind times. Rod __________________ Do the RIGHT thing - Support the H.A.M.B. Alliance!!!!