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FrankWest · 11-15-2015, 02:23 PM

I have to replace my original non safety glass in my 1933 standard fordor.
My windshield is the original 1933 safety glass, glad about that..It is in pretty good shape too, not perfect but nice.
I plan to start with the front windows.
I have never taken windows about before.. The window cranks are pretty stiff so I wanted to clean and oil them anyway.
What type of job is it to replace the windows?

DavidG · 11-15-2015, 02:40 PM

Not too bad as long as you have a good pattern for the new glass, which you presumably have and a good source for the new laminated glass who will cut and polish (the top and side edges) properly. It's another one of those step-by-step jobs, but not the challenge posed by the replacement of your timing gear.

The first step is to remove the garnish moldings around the perimeter of the window opening followed by the removal of the inside door handle and window crank handle.

The inside handles are removed by pressing firmly against the escutcheon of each handle with a small diameter punch in your third hand ready to push out the then-exposed pin retaining the handle to the shank of the door latch/window mechanisms. As like most of us, you likely do not have a third hand so having someone help with doing this will prove useful. Alternatively, at one time Bob Drake sold a clever little formed wire tool that permitted you to press the area around the escutcheon inward with one hand (or your chest) freeing up your other hand to push out the retaining pin.

Then remove the door trim panel being extremely careful not to let the spring fasteners that hold it against the door's inner panel pull away from the thick pressed cardboard that serves as the foundation of the trim panel. It is best to use two putty knives placed under the trim panel and butted up against each spring fastener as you pry the trim panel away from the door inner panel one clip at a time.

Let's save the next steps for when you've done the above on one of your doors.

johnboy34 · 11-15-2015, 03:12 PM

If the pins are stuck, a little pb blaster and let soak a while. Most of the window crank posts are pot metal and will break if hit too hard with punch and hammer. Go easy and you should be fine. The 33 is different than my 34 but I still think after you have the arms off, crank the window regulator down then rotate the window and remove out the top.

Y-Blockhead · 11-15-2015, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidG

Not too bad as long as you have a good pattern for the new glass, which you presumably have and a good source for the new laminated glass who will cut and polish (the top and side edges) properly.

Personally I would replace my side glass with tempered glass instead of laminated safety glass. New car makers stopped using laminated in the side glass in the 60-70's for various reasons.

fourfords · 11-15-2015, 03:51 PM

If you are serious, there is a door panel removal tool available at most auto parts stores. I replaced the passenger rear door glass on my '33 last week and made the job easy and protected the paper door panel and clips as David G emphasized. Got the glass from Sanders.

Y-Blockhead · 11-15-2015, 04:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidG

The inside handles are removed by pressing firmly against the escutcheon of each handle with a small diameter punch in your third hand ready to push out the then-exposed pin retaining the handle to the shank of the door latch/window mechanisms. As like most of us, you likely do not have a third hand so having someone help with doing this will prove useful. Alternatively, at one time Bob Drake sold a clever little formed wire tool that permitted you to press the area around the escutcheon inward with one hand (or your chest) freeing up your other hand to push out the retaining pin.

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Originally Posted by johnboy34

If the pins are stuck, a little pb blaster and let soak a while. Most of the window crank posts are pot metal and will break if hit too hard with punch and hammer.

SOMETIMES it helps to have the proper tools. A little expensive but worth it...

http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_mo...oval-tool.html

flatheadman · 11-15-2015, 04:50 PM

Manufacturers went back to laminated glass in the door windows in the last couple of years.

DavidG · 11-15-2015, 05:08 PM

As he is interested in originality and laminated side glass was an extra-cost option for '33 standard models, that might tip the scales in his thinking.

Y-Blockhead · 11-15-2015, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flatheadman

Manufacturers went back to laminated glass in the door windows in the last couple of years.

Why?? In an emergency you can't get out if laminated is installed. That's why manufacturers stopped using it in side windows. They only use it is windshields... to prevent you from exiting unintentionally...

FrankWest · 11-15-2015, 08:01 PM

It is A strange option, But has anyone ever used 3M films that can contain broken glass?
If the cost is not too high, may be a good choice. Then the glass would be original, with some shatter protection, and if it does not work out, I can always replace anyway??

slowforty · 11-15-2015, 08:09 PM

Sanders is a Great place to get glass, Did an excellent job on the glass for my 40

FrankWest · 11-15-2015, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by slowforty

Sanders is a Great place to get glass, Did an excellent job on the glass for my 40

Have to look into it. Did you get it without markings so that you can add the bug?

tubman · 11-15-2015, 08:38 PM

I'm sure you saw "Doctor's Ford"s thread on putting the proper Ford bugs on the new windows. It was on here only a week ago. I think they add authenticity.

FrankWest · 11-15-2015, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tubman

I'm sure you saw "Doctor's Ford"s thread on putting the proper Ford bugs on the new windows. It was on here only a week ago. I think they add authenticity.

Yes, I saw Manuel's work..

gearhead1952 · 11-15-2015, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by slowforty

Sanders is a Great place to get glass, Did an excellent job on the glass for my 40

Who is Sanders? I have had a difficult time getting quality glass both locally and online.

fourfords · 11-15-2015, 11:15 PM

Sanders glass: http://www.sandersreproglass.com/order

gearhead1952 · 11-18-2015, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fourfords

Sanders glass: http://www.sandersreproglass.com/order

Thanks for that.

FrankWest · 11-28-2015, 06:42 PM

I checked with www.sandersreproglass.com

FRONT DOOR (Flat Glass) 28" x 16"
Material: Laminate 1/4" Clear
Edgework: Pencil Grind
Script Type: No Logo

Laminated is what was used in 1933 right?
Need help with Edgework....Is it Pencil Grind or something else.

Here are the edgework choices at sanders
https://www.sandersreproglass.com/edgework/

also, I have a question about the small back widow...It does not move but sanders refers to it as
QUARTER VENT (roll down) (Flat Glass) 16" x 16"
Material: Laminate 1/4" Clear
Edgework: Pencil Grind
Script Type: No Logo

Is that the window beyond the back door window?

MIRoger · 11-28-2015, 07:55 PM

For a standard '33 sedan, plate glass (non -laminated & no bug) was standard equipment. A deluxe sedan would have had laminated glass (with bug) as standard equipment as mentioned in an earlier post. You can have your original plate glass replaced with automotive grade tempered glass. Most auto glass shops should be able to provide this service. When they make the new glass for you ask them to provide it without the markings for tempered glass to match the look of unmarked original '33 plate glass. Tempered plate glass is what is currently used today in new car production.

FrankWest · 11-28-2015, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MIRoger

For a standard '33 sedan, plate glass (non -laminated & no bug) was standard equipment. A deluxe sedan would have had laminated glass (with bug) as standard equipment as mentioned in an earlier post. You can have your original plate glass replaced with automotive grade tempered glass. Most auto glass shops should be able to provide this service. When they make the new glass for you ask them to provide it without the markings for tempered glass to match the look of unmarked original '33 plate glass. Tempered plate glass is what is currently used today in new car production.

I have a question about This tempered glass they use today..Won't it fracture into a million splinters just like my original glass..?
I can understand the Laminated glass not releasing splinters but tempered glass seems like it could splinter too.
How much safer is tempered glass than my original plate glass?

11-15-2015, 02:23 PM	#1
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	replacing glass in 1933 standard fordor I have to replace my original non safety glass in my 1933 standard fordor. My windshield is the original 1933 safety glass, glad about that..It is in pretty good shape too, not perfect but nice. I plan to start with the front windows. I have never taken windows about before.. The window cranks are pretty stiff so I wanted to clean and oil them anyway. What type of job is it to replace the windows?

11-15-2015, 02:40 PM	#2
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: replacing glass in 1933 standard fordor Not too bad as long as you have a good pattern for the new glass, which you presumably have and a good source for the new laminated glass who will cut and polish (the top and side edges) properly. It's another one of those step-by-step jobs, but not the challenge posed by the replacement of your timing gear. The first step is to remove the garnish moldings around the perimeter of the window opening followed by the removal of the inside door handle and window crank handle. The inside handles are removed by pressing firmly against the escutcheon of each handle with a small diameter punch in your third hand ready to push out the then-exposed pin retaining the handle to the shank of the door latch/window mechanisms. As like most of us, you likely do not have a third hand so having someone help with doing this will prove useful. Alternatively, at one time Bob Drake sold a clever little formed wire tool that permitted you to press the area around the escutcheon inward with one hand (or your chest) freeing up your other hand to push out the retaining pin. Then remove the door trim panel being extremely careful not to let the spring fasteners that hold it against the door's inner panel pull away from the thick pressed cardboard that serves as the foundation of the trim panel. It is best to use two putty knives placed under the trim panel and butted up against each spring fastener as you pry the trim panel away from the door inner panel one clip at a time. Let's save the next steps for when you've done the above on one of your doors. Last edited by DavidG; 11-15-2015 at 02:48 PM.

11-15-2015, 03:12 PM	#3
johnboy34 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Seattle Posts: 179	Re: replacing glass in 1933 standard fordor If the pins are stuck, a little pb blaster and let soak a while. Most of the window crank posts are pot metal and will break if hit too hard with punch and hammer. Go easy and you should be fine. The 33 is different than my 34 but I still think after you have the arms off, crank the window regulator down then rotate the window and remove out the top.

11-15-2015, 04:50 PM	#7
flatheadman Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lovelock, Nv Posts: 20	Re: replacing glass in 1933 standard fordor Manufacturers went back to laminated glass in the door windows in the last couple of years.

11-15-2015, 05:08 PM	#8
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,101	Re: replacing glass in 1933 standard fordor As he is interested in originality and laminated side glass was an extra-cost option for '33 standard models, that might tip the scales in his thinking.

11-15-2015, 08:01 PM	#10
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: replacing glass in 1933 standard fordor It is A strange option, But has anyone ever used 3M films that can contain broken glass? If the cost is not too high, may be a good choice. Then the glass would be original, with some shatter protection, and if it does not work out, I can always replace anyway??

11-15-2015, 08:09 PM	#11
slowforty Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tinley Park Ill Posts: 1,061	Re: replacing glass in 1933 standard fordor Sanders is a Great place to get glass, Did an excellent job on the glass for my 40

11-15-2015, 08:38 PM	#13
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,319	Re: replacing glass in 1933 standard fordor I'm sure you saw "Doctor's Ford"s thread on putting the proper Ford bugs on the new windows. It was on here only a week ago. I think they add authenticity.

11-15-2015, 11:15 PM	#16
fourfords Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lake Elsinore, CA. Posts: 414	Re: replacing glass in 1933 standard fordor Sanders glass: http://www.sandersreproglass.com/order

11-28-2015, 06:42 PM	#18
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: replacing glass in 1933 standard fordor I checked with www.sandersreproglass.com FRONT DOOR (Flat Glass) 28" x 16" Material: Laminate 1/4" Clear Edgework: Pencil Grind Script Type: No Logo Laminated is what was used in 1933 right? Need help with Edgework....Is it Pencil Grind or something else. Here are the edgework choices at sanders https://www.sandersreproglass.com/edgework/ also, I have a question about the small back widow...It does not move but sanders refers to it as QUARTER VENT (roll down) (Flat Glass) 16" x 16" Material: Laminate 1/4" Clear Edgework: Pencil Grind Script Type: No Logo Is that the window beyond the back door window? Last edited by FrankWest; 11-28-2015 at 06:54 PM.

11-28-2015, 07:55 PM	#19
MIRoger Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 31	Re: replacing glass in 1933 standard fordor For a standard '33 sedan, plate glass (non -laminated & no bug) was standard equipment. A deluxe sedan would have had laminated glass (with bug) as standard equipment as mentioned in an earlier post. You can have your original plate glass replaced with automotive grade tempered glass. Most auto glass shops should be able to provide this service. When they make the new glass for you ask them to provide it without the markings for tempered glass to match the look of unmarked original '33 plate glass. Tempered plate glass is what is currently used today in new car production.