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Bruce of MN · 12-16-2022, 05:46 AM

We are watching Operation Mincemeat on Netflix and in a fairly late scene, what looks like a Model A block appears. It is upside down on a desk (no studs) with the crank in place and you can see the right side cylinder shapes and timing gear. It looks like it might be a little small; are there similar design English blocks that it might actually be?

I'll try to photograph the TV screen today and post.

Joe K · 12-16-2022, 08:07 AM

The English version of the Model A engine was "small bore." I think total net power limited to 14HP by the small size. But that engine was the standard block simply bored smaller (or sleeved) to meet the English tax/horsepower requirements.

One page/example of this variant from Vince Falter's most excellent site. https://www.fordgarage.com/pages/193...4and14.9ib.htm

Those on Brit soil can perhaps add to this thought.

I have been "fooled" by a pile of Model T blocks. But flipping one over revealed the true identity.

Joe K

J and M Machine · 12-16-2022, 08:11 AM

Could of been this one.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...7348901&type=3

Bruce of MN · 12-16-2022, 12:43 PM

I'm not familiar with T engines, but I see they are the same layout.

Bruce of MN · 12-17-2022, 04:15 AM

Here is the scene:

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john charlton · 12-17-2022, 04:49 AM

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The horsepower tax was introduced to protect English manufactures against cheap high quality USA imports , Essex,Irskin etc etc . Anything over 15 HP attracted punitive "road tax " Ford countered this by bringing out the AF 14.9 HP engine . The 3" bore block was cast in Fords tractor plant in Cork Ireland . The picture is most likely an AF block you can see the gaps between the bores in the casting . It is not a small 8 HP or 10 HP English engine .

John in still freezing Suffolk County England .

tmiller6 · 12-17-2022, 06:20 AM

With the script on the side of the crankcase and lack of an oil fill- breather, that is a Model T engine.

john charlton · 12-17-2022, 07:17 AM

You are right of course T block for sure . Between the two world wars over half of vehicles on British roads were T and TT .

John in same place same weather .

12-16-2022, 05:46 AM	#1
Bruce of MN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: VA Posts: 1,410	A Engine in a Movie We are watching Operation Mincemeat on Netflix and in a fairly late scene, what looks like a Model A block appears. It is upside down on a desk (no studs) with the crank in place and you can see the right side cylinder shapes and timing gear. It looks like it might be a little small; are there similar design English blocks that it might actually be? I'll try to photograph the TV screen today and post.

12-16-2022, 08:07 AM	#2
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,188	Re: A Engine in a Movie The English version of the Model A engine was "small bore." I think total net power limited to 14HP by the small size. But that engine was the standard block simply bored smaller (or sleeved) to meet the English tax/horsepower requirements. One page/example of this variant from Vince Falter's most excellent site. https://www.fordgarage.com/pages/193...4and14.9ib.htm Those on Brit soil can perhaps add to this thought. I have been "fooled" by a pile of Model T blocks. But flipping one over revealed the true identity. Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.

12-16-2022, 08:11 AM	#3
J and M Machine Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: 40 Mt.Vickery Rd. Southborough,MA 508-460-0733 Posts: 352	Re: A Engine in a Movie Could of been this one. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...7348901&type=3

12-16-2022, 12:43 PM	#4
Bruce of MN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: VA Posts: 1,410	Re: A Engine in a Movie I'm not familiar with T engines, but I see they are the same layout.

12-17-2022, 04:15 AM	#5
Bruce of MN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: VA Posts: 1,410	Re: A Engine in a Movie Here is the scene: [IMG][/IMG]

12-17-2022, 04:49 AM	#6
john charlton Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,304	Re: A Engine in a Movie Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) The horsepower tax was introduced to protect English manufactures against cheap high quality USA imports , Essex,Irskin etc etc . Anything over 15 HP attracted punitive "road tax " Ford countered this by bringing out the AF 14.9 HP engine . The 3" bore block was cast in Fords tractor plant in Cork Ireland . The picture is most likely an AF block you can see the gaps between the bores in the casting . It is not a small 8 HP or 10 HP English engine . John in still freezing Suffolk County England .

12-17-2022, 06:20 AM	#7
tmiller6 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Livonia, MI Posts: 197	Re: A Engine in a Movie With the script on the side of the crankcase and lack of an oil fill- breather, that is a Model T engine.

12-17-2022, 07:17 AM	#8
john charlton Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,304	Re: A Engine in a Movie You are right of course T block for sure . Between the two world wars over half of vehicles on British roads were T and TT . John in same place same weather .