Lincoln Y block

[Tommy Caruso]

Will the Lincoln Y Block bolt in a 56 ford pickup that had a 292

[packrat5]

Without going into all of the boring details, which will be posted about over, and over, the answer in a nutshell is no.

[Oldmics]

Nope

Oldmics

[packrat5]

I want to digress a bit. It could be done, but it would not exactly be a bolt in. If you could find a 800 series truck, the front motor mount plate could be used with a 57-60 front cross member, the bell housing and stick stuff maybe could be used with the "granny tranny" An FE stick setup could be adapted with some machine shop work. (good luck with that) Passenger cars never had a stick, but the automatic was the old GM Hydromatic in earlier versions, and the Cruiso was used in later ones. If you really want to lose the y-block,(?) conversion kits are available for almost any other type of engine conversion. When you consider the cost, weight, and parts availability, and other important parameters, the y-block is a way better engine choice. Only my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.

[40 Deluxe]

At least the Lincoln would confuse the know-it-alls at a car show!

[dmsfrr]

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Originally Posted by 40 Deluxe

At least the Lincoln would confuse the know-it-alls at a car show!

I like the way you think.

[Pilot31135]

You might get away with the lincoln y block and a Berendsens transmission adapter and maybe a T-5 trans out of a mustang. That would really confuse, and or tick off a purist.
I like the way my 317 sounds!����

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Tommy Caruso

Will the Lincoln Y Block bolt in a 56 ford pickup that had a 292

Originally Posted by Oldmics

Nope

Oldmics

Y- Not...

(The 1957 MERC 368 had a manual trans BTW.)

[Oldmics]

Re: Lincoln Y block
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy Caruso

Will the Lincoln Y Block bolt in a 56 ford pickup that had a 292

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldmics

Nope

Oldmics

Y- Not...

(The 1957 MERC 368 had a manual trans BTW.)


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Let me revisit my comment about not fitting.


ANYTHING can be made to fit with either a torch or a plasma cutter and a welder and someone with the skill to make it happen !


That being said - the Lincoln Y Block will fit into the cavity of the pickup.


Now the reason its not a bolt in is because the Lincoln engine motor mount attachment location and angles are different than the Ford Y Block engine.


This necessatates a different style of frame mount for the motor mounts to attach to.


If a Lincoln Y Block donor vehicle could be found and the engine frame mounts removed from the donor car and welded to the truck frame , then yes a Lincoln engine would fit.


Of course one would still have to deal with all of the other driveline issues that would now come into being.


Now KULTULZ - tell me about this
discovery on the Merc 368 and a manual transmission.


Only 100 of those stick bell housings were produced for the M 335 package for the 368 engine in Mercurys.


Those stick bell housings were made by Crager who also sold them to the public.


The Merc bells were not cast as Cragers so that the M 335 would be homologated for the 57 race season.


The Crager aftermarket bells were cast with the Crager namesake on the housing.


Oldmics

[KULTULZ]

Let me try it this way...

The LYB PASS CAR and HT engine mounting is different isn't it, just as the PASS CAR and TRUCK FYB? How is the 368 mounted in your 57 MERC, like was done with (?) as the 58 LINC/BIRD 430?

There are no side support pads on the 368 block?

I have a '57 MERC SHOP MANUAL somewhere, just too lazy to dig it out.

I understand about the specialty bell but to say there was not one available is misleading (referring to a separate post by another member within the same thread).

(Besides, you need your cage rattled as you haven't been around for awhile... )

[Oldmics]

K T


You are a cage rattler and its all good fun.


I was away on a warm Island for February with not much communication.


The Merc 368 and the Merc/Linc 430 are different critters.


Now,I"ll be the first to admit I know nuttin bout the 430 except to look up an image of one on Google.


The 368 engine do have side mounts. They are on a 45 * angle from the ground.
Perfectly vertical side engine mounts that attach to the motor mount which attachs to the steel frame mount.


The image of the 430 shows the side of the block as having the mounts on the side of the block on an angle and not vertical as a 368 would use.


Therefore two different frame mounts/motor mounts,etc.


The only other standard shift bell availiable that would fit a 368 was for the trucks.I"m not sure if a truck bell could be used for the T85 trans interface.
Those standard truck bells were behind 317 engines.


The truck head gears were longer as I understand.


Never heard/saw/experienced a 368 with a standard shift except for the M 335s.


Oldmics

[KULTULZ]

OK...

That was what I was trying to get at, the 368 PASS CAR has side mount provisions. The early MEL 383-410-430 used a front/rear mount system.

So in essence, MERC did not have to change the 1957 frame mounts for the 368 installation as compared to the 312 installation. So retrofit into say a 56 FORD should not be that difficult, right?

[Oldmics]

No,Merc DID have to change the frame mounts.


The Ford Y Block has the engine mount boss"s on an angle.


The 368 has vertical engine boss"s.


There"s no pulling a 312 and directly bolting in the 368 to the 312 style frame mounts.


The 368 has to have different frame mounts.


Oldmics

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

OK...

So in essence, MERC did not have to change the 1957 frame mounts for the 368 installation as compared to the 312 installation. So retrofit into say a 56 FORD should not be that difficult, right?

Originally Posted by Oldmics

No,Merc DID have to change the frame mounts.

The Ford Y Block has the engine mount boss"s on an angle.

The 368 has vertical engine boss"s.

There"s no pulling a 312 and directly bolting in the 368 to the 312 style frame mounts.

The 368 has to have different frame mounts.

Oldmics

What I was getting at is that the 57 MER 368 was not mounted as the 58 LINC 430. The 368 uses side mounts and can be changed over but with some effort.

I read on another forum where you had pulled the engine out of your MERC. By any chance did you take any frame shots?

Did you ever hear of the S-CODE 56 FORD?

[Oldmics]

KT


When I found the Merc the 368 engine was already removed.


I didnt take any pics at that time BUT I could get a shot of the mounts from the underside today if you like.


Unfortunatly there seems to be an issue with posting pictures on the site at the moment.


As far as the 1956 "S" machine - I am aware of the story and it stems from this auction link below


https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0114-17...toria-hardtop/


I sold this guy the dual quad air cleaner before it went to auction.


I"m not sure if its the real deal or not BUT it makes for a nice story - sorta like the story of the 1957 Fords that got the Police Interceptor 352 engine a year before it was supposed to be availiable.


The factorys did a lot of unusual things back in the day. Whos to say whats right or wrong . I only believe in documentation of the machines.


Without the documented proof - its just a good story.


Oldmics

[scicala]

That's a pretty shakey story about the "S" code '56. To begin with, the Ford Pilot Plant at that time (and still is) is located in Allen Park, Mich (boarders Dearborn), and not in Somerville, Mass. I won't argue that the "S" in the VIN isn't for the Pilot Plant, I just disagree with where they said it was.
Also, no way would it have the NASCAR inspired 2 X 4 barrel carb set up.


Sal

[KULTULZ]

The car is powered by a very rare S-code 312/225 HP V-8 engine distinguished by dual Holley 4-barrel carburetion topped by a special NASCAR-inspired air cleaner. Built at Ford’s pilot plant in Somerville, Massachusetts (indicated by the third digit in the VIN), it is one of only seven S-code cars built in 1956 and is believed to have been a test or pilot car.

Here is what happened-

Some years ago, a guy posted for show or sale possibly (including photo), a 56 FORD sporting a 368 4V install. The cars Patent Plate Engine Code was S and not cataloged. So most jumped on the band wagon (including myself) that it was a Police install.

Come to find out many years later it was all a misnomer. The S Car was assembled in MA and received the 312 4V.

In TSB 366 dated 8/6/56 there is a paragraph about the "S" code cars.

Para D*2

312 Cubic inch eight cylinder engines - 1956 Fairlane, Customline, and Mainline Models

We have been advised that approximately sixty-five 312 cubic inch engines with automatic transmissions and four hundred and fifty-five 312 cubic inch engines with standard transmissions have been used in 1956 Fairlane, Customline, and Mainline models in place of the 292 cubic inch engine with the four barrel carburetor.

Since these engines were shipped with the regular passenger car decals on the rocker covers it will not be possible to identify them by this means.

The identification of such 1956 units with these engines in this case is made by the letter "S" in the vehicle serial number and a daub of yellow heat resisting paint about two inches square on the forward portion of the engine.

SOURCE- http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic46286.aspx

So the real story is people putting big bucks into a car restoring it and claiming it is (or was) something special when it really isn't.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Oldmics

KT

When I found the Merc the 368 engine was already removed.

I didnt take any pics at that time BUT I could get a shot of the mounts from the underside today if you like.

Oldmics

If you can take them at your convenience it would be greatly appreciated as it is still cold (although I imagine it is garaged). No big hurry.

I am just interested in design changes between the 312 and 368 install.

OH!

While I am thinking about it...

The 361 FE and 410 MEL had an early intro date as the 58 EDSEL was released early.

The 361 was a 1958 FORD Police Option.

Most Police was not cataloged in the MPC but in separate cataloging. So who knows what FORD might have done?

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by scicala

That's a pretty shakey story about the "S" code '56.

To begin with, the Ford Pilot Plant at that time (and still is) is located in Allen Park, Mich (boarders Dearborn), and not in Somerville, Mass. I won't argue that the "S" in the VIN isn't for the Pilot Plant, I just disagree with where they said it was.

Also, no way would it have the NASCAR inspired 2 X 4 barrel carb set up.

Sal

Hey Sal...

I imagine the 8V was actually the 56 312 kit and was missing the original air cleaner assy.

Here is some info on Wixom- https://macsmotorcitygarage.com/the-...ed-auto-plant/

ALSO-

The Somerville Assembly was a Ford Motor Company factory in Somerville, Massachusetts which opened in 1926 as a replacement to the Cambridge Assembly.[1] Following the failure of the Edsel, the plant, which had been one of the region’s largest employers, closed its doors in 1958. At that time it was the Edsel division's only Edsel-only assembly line as all other Edsel plants were shared with Mercury or Ford. Somerville built only the larger Corsair and Citation big series Edsels which shared chassis with Mercury.

SOURCE- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerville_Assembly

See what you think.

[KULTULZ]

Here are some photos of the LYB skirts showing the engine support pads-